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Hi I have John Bruce b c 1844 in Lanark, Scotland- died in Liverpool I have mangaed to track him back using his marriage cert and census- His marriage states that his father is James an Engineer- I believe this is the family in 1841 at Skirnhill Lnarkshire Archibacd Bruce abt 1835 Lanarkshire, Scotland Rutherglen Lanarkshire 654 David Bruce abt 1837 Lanarkshire, Scotland Rutherglen Lanarkshire 654 Grace Bruce abt 1816 Lanarkshire, Scotland Rutherglen Lanarkshire 654 Grace Bruce abt 1840 Lanarkshire, Scotland Rutherglen Lanarkshire 654 James Bruce abt 1816 Lanarkshire, Scotland Rutherglen Lanarkshire 654 - ENGINEER James Bruce abt 1833 Lanarkshire, Scotland Rutherglen Lanarkshire 654 Margt Bruce abt 1839 Lanarkshire, Scotland Rutherglen Lanarkshire 654 In 1851 the family are still together at Old Monkland Name Age David Bruce 14 Grace Bruce 32 Grace Bruce 3 James Bruce 36 James Bruce 17 John Bruce 7 Margaret Bruce 11 BY 1861 the parents must have died and 3 of the children are with their aunt Agnes Name Age Archibald Bruce 24 Grace Bruce 13 Margaret Bruce 20 Agnes Munro 62 Robert Munro 27 Mathew Pollock 24 Karen who is doing Scottish parent lookups on another thread managed to ascertain for me that Grace's maiden name was Pollock and the Agnes that they are living with was a Pollock because her anem is on the IGI marrying a Munro- I searhed for John's birth on Scotlands people and it states his parents were James Bruce a Collier and Grace Pollock- Why if James is an Engineer in 1841 and therafter would he be listed as Collier on his sons birth? Also I can't find a marriage between James Bruce and Grace Pollock, only one between James Bruce and Grace Mathieson in 1828. Am I going wrong somewhere? Thanks Simone

Simone the first thing I would do is look at Grace's death certificate, I just did a free search on scotlands people & there is a death for a Grace Bruce (other surname Pollock) who died in 1859. Georgina.

Thanks for that Georgina- Glad you told me that. It says that something to the effect 'wife of engineer .........?' John Bruce husband present at death Parents Archibald Pollock, Blacksmith and Margaret nee Connor deceased- These details are waht I thought from the igi Wonder why I can't find a marriage for James and Grace and why he is listed as a Collier in 1844- I wonder if he was a engineer at the colliery? Thanks for your help I've never used the site before and seemed to be wasting credits. Will try and find the death of James I think Simone x

Simone from what you have found it says her husband was John Bruce Engineer maybe he married under the name John? Georgina.

Sorry Georgina, it does say James not John I've too many people with the same names!!! Simone x

Simone how old was Grace when she died? Georgina.

It looks like it says 48 Georgina Simone x

Simone there is something strange here, have you found a Birth/Baptism for Grace? From the IGI the children born to Archibald Pollock & Margaret Connor dont include a Grace? Although all the entries are submitted & not from parish records, I cant see a birth for her in the OPR's on Scotlands people, what info have you found? Georgina.

Hi Georgina Will have to give up on death for James I think- can't be definite - Also there is a James b c 1812 still living in Blantyre, lodging with the Mason family, a pauper/Embecile- but it doesn't say if he is engineer on ancestry and I can't get an image, so it is possible that this is him. Simone x

No I haven't found it either, but though it may be Grizzel, but called herself Grace- Her sister Agnes was baptised in 1798 to Archibald and Margaret. Simone x

Simone if she was Grissel her birth would have been about 1805 (according to the IGI) so if she died in 1858 her age should be about 53? What makes it harder is there are no Births/Christenings showing in the OPR's on Scotlands people for any children with parents names Pollock & Connor. What was the address she was living at when she died? Georgina.

Hi It looks like Bailleston, Old Monkland, Lanark Simone x

Georgina There are 12 matches for children to Pollock/ Conner Simone x

Simone I have just put in the search box on the OPR's Birth & baptism's Surname Pollock and then in parents names Pollock & Connor & it showed no results, I must be doing something wrong are the surnames mispelt? Georgina.

Simone I have all the one's from the IGI but they are all submitted entries which means none have been confirmed in parish records, it is on the official site I cant find them. That dosen't mean they dont exist it just means their parents musn't have had them baptised. Georgina.

Georgina - these are from batch no C116242 on familysearch and they are from the OPR'S There are 2 Grizzel's/Grissel's but maybe one has died? MARGARET POLLOCK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 14 APR 1814 Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland 2. ELISABETH POLLOCK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 21 FEB 1817 Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland 3. GRISSEL POLLOCK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 16 AUG 1805 Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland 4. GRIZZEL POLLOCK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 24 AUG 1806 Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland 5. ISABEL POLLOCK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 02 JUN 1808 Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland 6. AGNESS POLLOCK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 19 SEP 1798 Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland 7. JANET POLLOCK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 13 JAN 1805 Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland 8. JEAN POLLOCK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 28 MAY 1803 Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland 9. JEAN POLLOCK - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 20 AUG 1815 Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland Simone x

Thanks Georgina- glad you've found them- I really appreciate the time you are spending on this. Thank you Simone x

Hi Georgina The spelling is Conner with an 'e' in the opr's and igi- although the death record for Grace has it with an 'o'. The census returns have her birth as 1816-1819, so ages are all over the place! Simone x

Simone I have found them, I was spelling the mothers name Connor & it was Conner see how easy it is to miss an entry. LOL. Georgina.