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Hello
I know little about my grandfather as he died before I was born. I am now struggling to find any information about him. All I have is the following:

Death certificate dated 5th April 1955 in Wavertree, Lancashire Age 66

Marriage dated 24th May 1920 in Princes Park Liverpool to Sarah Hale. Charles aged 30 a Railway Servant. Father Charles Pennington (deceased) a Gardener.

I have also found them on the 1939 Register where the birth date for Charles Henry Pennington was 4th February 1890. Living in Liverpool. Occupation a Railway Porter.

If you could help me perhaps find him on a census before his marriage or his birth record that would be wonderful.

Thank you very much

In 1921 he was in the Ministry of Pensions Hospital in Knotty Ash
Birthplace Liverpool
Age 31yrs 5months
Census date 19th June

Sarah and her daughter Charlotte are Boarders in West Derby

You should be able to find his birth on freebmd…………

Bear in mind that age on a death certificate is only ‘as known’ and may not be accurate

Who witnessed the 1920 marriage?

ADDED

Cert is on FMP….both witnesses named Hall, so no help there

The address Charles & Sarah gave was that of Sarah’s widowed mother, Ellen Hale

Hello ErikaH
Sounds like the date on the 1939 Register of 4th Feb 1890 is correct then.
Sadly there is no birth on freebmd that matches that. :-(

Only 1 Charles Henry Pennington born 1890 +/- 4 years with phonetic surname search

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PENNINGTON, CHARLES HENRY GLEW
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 691

which would be this chap in 1911 -

1911 Census For England & Wales
Grange Farm Glentworth Lincoln, Glentworth, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Neare Head Married Male 33 1878 Farmer Lincs Cold Hanworth
Mildred Neare Wife Married Female 27 1884 - Lincs Cold Hanworth
Henry Neare Son Single Male 0 1911 - Lincs Glenworth
Charles Henry Pennington Servant Single Male 21 1890 Farm waggoner Lincs Howsham Grange
Robert Glew Servant Single Male 18 1893 Farm waggoner under Lincs South Kelsey
Ethel Hill Servant Single Female 22 1889 General servant domestic Lincs Riby

If this is him and he joined the Railways after this, his job may well have taken him to another part of the country and if in hospital whoever completed the census may have thought he was from Liverpool ?/

HOWEVER - in 1921 he is in Lincolnshire with wife Bertha and is a Farm Labourer

Hi greyghost
Thank you for looking
The marriage certificate for Charles Henry and Sarah gave his father as Charles Pennington (deceased).
This Charles Henry that you found had a father named Henry.

Yes, Father Henry, but ruled out on fact of Charles being in Lincs with a wife in 1921.

Was he going by his middle name in 1901 - this family in Toxteth with "Father" Charles a Gardener. Is Charles perhaps Grandfather or adopted family as the 1891/1881 census doesn't show Charles and Margaret with children

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
69, Lime Grove, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Pennington Head Married Male 57 1844 Gardener (domestic) Liverpool Garston
Margaret Pennington Wife Married Female 55 1846 - Liverpool Woolton
Henry Pennington Son - Male 12 1889 - Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales


Charles and Margaret Pennington in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
69, Lime Grove, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Pennington Head Married Male 49 1842 Gardener Woolton, Lancashire, England
Margaret Pennington Wife Married Female 47 1844 - Wavertree, Lancashire, England
Gladys Lee Boarder Single Female 4 1887 - Tue Brook, Lancashire, England
Daniel Kelly Boarder Single Male 36 1855 Gardener Aigburth, Lancashire, England
Timothy Brien Boarder Single Male 24 1867 Barman Ireland

Form completed with married 44 years NO children born alive. Looks like the enumerator has queried this at some point and has written across the form ? no children yet 1 named.
No place of birth for Henry

1911 Census For England & Wales
20 Graham St Liverpool, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Pennington Head Married Male 73 1838 Jobbing gardner Lancashire Woolton
Margaret Pennington Wife Married Female 69 1842 - Lancashire Wavertree
Henry Pennington Son Single Male 20 1891 Milk business -

Very interesting.......thank you :-)

? Death of Charles - year of birth 1838-1842 on above census - so pre the 1920 marriage of Charles Henry

First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1915 (>99%)
Pennington Charles 75 Toxteth P. 8b 256

Ancestry has this for Charles and Margaret (OPR ). One of witnesses possibly Anne Jane Jenions. Several trees have the surname as Seniors

Charles Pinnington married Margaret 1870
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1870 (>99%)
Jenions Margaret Prescot 8b 938
PINNINGTON Charles Prescot 8b 938

and from LancsOPC - surname with I for banns and E for Marriage and one or two N's in her surname

Banns: St Peter, Woolton, Lancashire
Charles Pinnington - Bachelor, this Parish
Margaret Jennions - Spinster, this Parish
First Reading: 4 Dec 1870; Read By: Fred. B. Watkins
Second Reading: 11 Dec 1870; Read By: Fred. B. Watkins
Third Reading: 18 Dec 1870; Read By: Fred. B. Watkins
Register: Banns 1839 - 1890, Page 46, Entry 91
Source: LDS Film 2147930

Marriage: 26 Dec 1870 St Peter, Woolton, Lancashire
Charles Pennington - Full, Gardener, Bachelor, Woolton
Margaret Jenions - Full, Spinster, Woolton
Groom's Father: Robert Pennington, Shoemaker
Bride's Father: William Jenions, Tailor
Witnesses: John Blackmore; Ann Jane Jenions
Married by Banns by Robert Leicester
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1904, Page 58, Entry 115
Source: LDS Film 2147929

The tree also has a Baptism for Charles - 5.11.1837 - s/o Robert and Anne and the surname looks like Pinnington

From LancsOPC
Baptism: 5 Nov 1837 St Michael, Garston, Lancashire
Charles Pinnington - Son of Robert Pinnington & Anne
Abode: Garston
Occupation: Shoe Maker
Baptised By: John Gibson
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1847 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 25, Entry 777
Source: Original Register

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Castle Street, Much Woolton, Prescot, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ann Pinnington Head - Female 75 1796 Midwife Much Woolton, Lancashire, England
Alice Hudleston Daughter - Female 46 1825 Laundress Halewood, Lancashire, England
Charles Pinnington Son - Male 34 1837 Gardener Garston, Lancashire, England
Margaret Pinnington Daughter-in-law - Female 28 1843 - Wavertree, Lancashire, England
Samuel Pinnington Grandson - Male 9 1862 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England

On the image of 1911 census for Charles, Margaret and Henry in Toxteth Park - posted earlier by Greyghost -

the word "adopted" is added to "son" for Henry.

So if that's the right man, there's no way to know his birth name.

Thank you so very much everyone x

Missed that AG - too late, should have been in bed and didn't enlarge the page enough to see that!

Just looking at the 1911 census with Charles, Margaret and Henry I would be fascinated to know if anyone can hazard a guess at what it reads under the crossing out. Could it be a name of the adopted Henry??

Almost certainly just a comment relating to the fact that the word ‘adopted’ had been added by someone other than the householder

It looks to me something like Marius (Marian ?) Santoria.

Possibly the signature of the person adding "adopted" ??
But I can't find anyone of a similar name living in Liverpool in 1911 - or at any time.

Oh OK thank you both...just a thought

It is interesting that in 1901, the 'son' Henry is shown with a definite named birthplace, which might indicate that his natural parents were known to the family perhaps.
Do you have any extended distant family in Anglesey at the time of his birth?

If you could locate records for his school in the 1901 census area, it might show when he joined and just possibly any further information about him.

I realise this is just an outside chance, but you have to explore such possibilities, when clutching straws :-)