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So I've hit a brick wall.

My gg grandmother Jane Mckenzie 1869 married Charles Newlands 1868 on 26/07/1889.

Up until today I thought they only had 3 children.
William Mckenzie Newlands 1890-1964 born Elgin, Moray, Scotland.
Jane Newlands 1893 - 1973 born Glasgow, Scotland.
Christina Dicky Newlands 1896 - 1985 born Edinburgh, Scotland.

I have asked relatives about a couple of photos I have of Dolly. I have been told Dolly is another sibling. I also have a photo of Dolly with young lady called Iris which we think is her daughter. In the photos Dolly does look younger than Jane and Christina.

I can't seem to find any records for Dolly, so hoping you lovely people can help me out again!

Thank you in advance.
Meg

Look for births on the GRO site, using ONLY the surnames

Assuming this is England/Wales, of course. You haven’t mentioned location, which is vital

Presumably, you’ve checked 1901 and 1911 censuses?

Dolly could well be a nickname.

Have a look at births in the area on freebmd You can now use the GRO site to find the mother’s maiden name. The 1911 census will tell you how many children Jane had if she was alive then. Although she could just about had more after 1911.

Charles is in five GR trees - born SCOTLAND!!!!!

If the family are Scottish then you need to use Scotland’s People website.

Sorry i've edited now. All born in Scotland.

Not on 1901 census. You’ll probably have to pay for units on SP to look at 1911

1911 I found them living in Tynemouth.
Charles Newlands Head age 42 birthplace Banff Bothripage.

Family in 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
91, High Street, Forres, Moray, Scotland

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Newlands Head Married Male 32 1869 General Labourer Banffshire, Scotland
Jane Newlands Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland
William Newlands Son - Male 10 1891 Scholar Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland
Jane Newlands Daughter - Female 7 1894 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Christina D Newlands Daughter - Female 5 1896 Scholar Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
James Newlands Father Married Male 75 1826 Dependant Banffshire, Scotland
John Topp Boarder Married Male 25 1876 Mason (Builder) Aberdeenshire, Scotland

The 1911 census should tell you how long they've been married and how many children they've had, still alive, died

1911 Census For England & Wales
42 Disraeli St Blyth Northumberland, Cowpen, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Newlands Head Married Male 42 1869 General Labourer Banff Bothripage
Jeannie Newlands Wife Married Female 41 1870 - Morray Berghead
William Newlands Son Single Male 20 1891 Miner Coal Clothing Machine Morray Elgin
Christina Newlands Daughter Single Female 15 1896 - Edinburgh
Joe Hurn Son In Law Married Male 20 1891 Miner Stoneman Southrepps Norfolk
Jeannie Hurn Daughter Married Female 18 1893 - Glasgow
Helen Ireabellia Hurn Granddaughter Married Female 0 1911 - Blyth Northumberland
Charles Newlands's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.


Original shows that they have been married for 21 years. 5 children were born to the marriage - 3 still living and 2 have died

Just had a message, Dolly lived at 747 Northern Road, Woodside, Aberdeen.
Don't know what year was though.

Family in England pre 1910 probably

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

First name(s) JOE
Last name HURN
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1910
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™
JOE HURN married one of these people
Sarah Phillips, Samuel Saddler, Jeannie Newlands
District Tynemouth
District number -
County Northumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Volume as transcribed 10B
Page number 417

Not seeing a birth in England/Wales to Newlands with mmn McKenzie / MacKenzie so the other 2 children not showing on census presumably born Scotland

Births of the children shown on census - chance of a birth between William and Jean

NEWLANDS
WILLIAM MCKENZI
M
1890
135/ 257
Elgin

NEWLANDS
JANE
F
1893
644/5 1093
Blackfriars - RD of Glasgow


or less likely??
NEWLANDS
JANET GREENHORN
F
1894
646/1 489
Plantation --- RD part of Glasgow


NEWLANDS
CHRISTINA DICKY
F
1896
685/2 302
St Andrew (Edinburgh)

Do you know the forename and surnames of Charles and Jane's Parents - or any of the grandparents - may help find the other 2 births

Look to see if they have followed the typical Scottish naming pattern for their children

Check births v deaths

You may have to buy credits fro Scotlands People website to open records

May be difficult as the family seemed to move around !!

?? - only as where family living 1901 and middle name. (There are others )

NEWLANDS
ELIZABETH MCKENZIE
F
1897
137/ 86
Forres

Try some searches on SP

Thanks Greyghost.

Charles Newlands Parents James Newlands 1827 Christina Dickie 1833.

Jane's parents William Mckenzie 1845 and Elspeth Robb 1836 all born in Scotland.

There are no deaths in Scotland of any Newlands with mms McKenzie, aged 22 or under , but 263 with no mms stated on SP, between 1889 and 1911.

Ten of those are in Morayshire.

I would suggest these - as possibilities only. You'd have to see the certs to confirm or not:

NEWLANDS [ EDIT: No, this child is with her parents William and Mary in 1901 ]
MARY
10
1910
137/ 16
Forres


NEWLANDS
JANE
0
1903
135/ 127
Elgin


NEWLANDS
JAMES
0
1892
135/ 177
Elgin


The corresponding births:

NEWLANDS
JAMES
M
1892
135/ 106
Elgin


NEWLANDS
JANE
F
1903
130/ 102
Drainie

Possibly James for Charles Father if William was for Jean's Father ??

Found a baptism record for Janet Greenhorn Newlands 1894, parent Robert Newlands and Janet Boyd. Think that rules her out.