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Dolly Newlands?

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Oct 2020 14:37

Dolly could be a nickname without any obvious relation to the person's real name - I think someone's already said that.

So yes, it's possible - though probably not provable..

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Oct 2020 14:41

Iris Elsie married in 1961. Surname Peter.

They're on the 2019 ER for Dundee. The property has not changed hands since then, per Zoopla.
You can find the address on the Electoral Rolls, under "Search" at top right of this page.

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 19 Oct 2020 15:34

Just spoken to Iris Elsie Peter her dad is William Peterson but mother is Margaret Tindall.

Also came across an email from 10 years ago saying Dolly is Iris's Mum.

Edit father William J Paterson mother Margaret Jane Creighton for the Iris I just spoke too.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Oct 2020 15:49

Hmmm - back to the drawing board.

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 19 Oct 2020 15:57

I know!

Just sent an email to a chap I was in contact with over ten years ago, waiting for a reply. I seem to remember he had lots of information on the Hurn family.

I'm convinced Dolly is Jane's daughter and Iris's mum.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Oct 2020 16:20

Death of a son of Gladys ?

PATERSON
WILLIAM NICOL
78
mms HURN
2013
300/ 272
Aberdeen

And his birth:

PATERSON
WILLIAM NICOL
M
1934
226/ 47
Newhills


There are several other Paterson births in Newhills 1932 - and onwards.

I don't know if they're all Gladys's children or not.
No Iris among them.

A definte one is Charles Newlands Paterson 1940.
Also probably Gladys Hilda 1932.
You have Victor on your tree already.

Other possibles:
Isabella 1935; Sheila Margaret 1936; Kenneth 1936 (possibly a twin of Sheila);
Muriel 1949; Richard 1944; Patricia M J 1944; Sydney 1945; Estelle Evelyn 1946; Margaret Mary M 1947; Colin 1948; David 1949; Eric William J 1949.

Of course Paterson isn't an uncommon name.





ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Oct 2020 16:40

EDIT: Oops, you already have these.


~Deaths of children of Hannah Hurn:

KANE
ALFRED
56
HURN
1987
321/ 166
Bucksburn


KANE
RONALD
71
mms HURN
2010
321/ 124
Bucksburn


KANE
GEORGE JOSEPH
83
mms HURN
2019
301/ 262
Aberdeen


Their births:

KANE
ALFRED
M
1930
168/4 320
Woodside

KANE
RONALD
M
1939
226/ 46
Newhills


KANE
GEORGE JOSEPH
M
1936
226/ 1
Newhills


There are lots of other Kane births in the area, but no Iris.

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 19 Oct 2020 16:44

Thank you.

Think I've tracked down Hannah Hurns children. Husband Alfred Kane 1910

Alfred Kane 1931- 1987

George Joseph Kane 1936 - 2019

Ronald Kane 1939-2010

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 20 Oct 2020 22:26

I’ve spoken to a grandson of Jane Hurn nee Newlands, she did have a daughter Dolly, obviously this is a nick name. Also Jane had a daughter called Chrissie who had a son Neil. No married names for either. Chrissie is still with us living in Newmachar.
Help !

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Oct 2020 09:51

Chrissie will be the Christina whose 1929 birth I posted on 18th Oct at 15:01.

As she's living I'll send you the details of her probable marriage by PM.

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 21 Oct 2020 13:53

Spoke to Gladys Hilda Paterson. She doesn't know Dolly or Iris, Arrrrgh.

Also another daughter for Jane and Joe Hurn, Betty married William?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Oct 2020 14:41

Their daughter Elizabeth was born 1923 - birth posted on page 2, 18 Oct, at 14:52.

On your Ancestry tree you have her as dying unmarried in 1991 in Liverpool.
Other trees say the same, but will just have copied from each other.

Elizabeth Hurn
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elizabeth Hurn
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: 8 Jun 1923
Registration Date: Dec 1991
Registration District: Liverpool
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 36
Page: 1211


Do you have the death cert?

If not, I think that may be the death of this woman:

Elizabeth J Weston
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Elizabeth J Weston
Registration Date: Jul 1943
[Aug 1943]
[Sep 1943]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Bootle
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Thomas W Hurn
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 478



I don't see a marriage for your Elizabeth to anyone in Scotland, nor to a William in England or Wales.

An Elizabeth Hurn married in London in 1951 - but to a Henryk, not a William.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Oct 2020 15:31

There's also this death, with YOB slightly out - but no way to tell anything more without buying the cert:

Ms Elizabeth Hurn
in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2019
Name: Ms Elizabeth Hurn
Gender: Female
Age: 92
Birth Date: 1924
Last Residence: Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
Postal Code District: IP14
Death Date: 25 Apr 2016

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 21 Oct 2020 16:08

Graham Hurn did say his Aunt Betty lived in London?

Just sent a message to Gladys Paterson granddaughter just waiting confirmation on any more siblings.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Oct 2020 17:50

In case relevant -

The Elizabeth who married in 1951 in London had two children, born in London 1951 and 1956 - findable on FreeBMD.

Someone with the unusual name of the 1951 child is living in Aberdeenshhire per 2019 ER - coincidence?? But that's not the only person with that name.

The 1956 chiild married in London in 1979.

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 21 Oct 2020 21:34

You've been amazing ArgyllGran. Thank you so much for your time, I’ll check those out.

Just sent a picture to my g aunt and another name has popped up Hazel from Aberdeen possible relative of Jane Newlands Hurn.

Another development in contact with a Hurn in Canada daughter of George. She also said that’s aunt Dolly.

Got a feeling this could go on a while.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Oct 2020 09:48

It's a pity none of these people who recognise her as Dolly know her real name!

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 23 Oct 2020 21:22

Had it confirmed that Elizabeth Hurn did marry Henryk Nowak. Can someone please look up obituary on Ancesty for 2003.
Thank you in advance.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Oct 2020 09:42

Whose obituary?

I'm not seeing one for either Elizabeth or Henryk.
Nor the death of either of them in 2003.

Sounds as if it might be worth contacting the Nowak who is living in Aberdeenshire as mentioned earlier. Same name as their older child.

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 24 Oct 2020 14:00

Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current
DEATH, BURIAL, CEMETERY & OBITUARIES
Record information.
Name
Elizabeth Nowak
Parent
name
Death
dd/mm/2003 location


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
WILLS, ESTATES & GUARDIAN RECORDS
View Image
Record information.
Name
Henry Nowak
?