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Andrew Lee, b 1886 Durham

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John

John Report 25 Sep 2019 16:54

Yes Rambling, I also feel this is the family, but how strange that their surname is now Lee, the mothers maiden name, wished I could be a fly on the wall to see how that happened , obviously before 1901.

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Sep 2019 16:59

John, I haven't found a marriage so it's my guess they didn't marry but that the children were registered in fathers name anyway. When the couple split Margaret reverted to using her maiden name as did the children who stayed with her. Wish I could find her before 1881 though.

John

John Report 25 Sep 2019 17:04

Do you think they could have got married In
Scotland, ?

John

John Report 25 Sep 2019 17:09

Their first son Robert was born in 1879, so around before the 1881 census, so strange the family not found

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Sep 2019 17:30

John I did look at Scotland's People website but couldn't see a marriage there either.

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Sep 2019 17:39

??

BELL, ROBERT WILLIAM LEE
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in HALTWHISTLE Volume 10B Page 334


EDIT No probably not.

John

John Report 25 Sep 2019 17:50

Thank you Rambling, so no further as to a marriage, looks like a few years age difference between Anthony Bell and Mararet Lee, so perhaps he was a married man. Even unsure exactly where in Scotland Margaret was born so unable to trace her family. What ever the outcome my Pop would have had the Bell blood in him.thats for sure.

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Sep 2019 17:58

Robert Bell's service record.

British Army Service Records

First name(s) Robert
Last name Bell
Age 35
Birth year 1879
Birth town Durham
Birth county Durham
Birth country England
Service number 313809
Regiment York and Lancaster Regiment
Unit / Battalion 3rd Reserve Battalion
Year 1914
Residence town Castleford
Residence county Yorkshire
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'



and his death.


SerjeantBELL, ROBERT

Service Number 3/3809

Died 28/08/1915

6th Bn.
York and Lancaster Regiment

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Sep 2019 18:03

alviegal that's the one I've been looking for but just can;t pin then down in 1881.

I keep coming back to this one but can't figure it out, with births or ages?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
12, School Street, Brandon and Byshottles, Durham, Durham, England


Anthony Bell Head Married Male 40 1841 Coal Miner Durham, Durham, England
Margaret Bell Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Durham, England
David Bell Son Single Male 8 1873 - Shildon, Durham, England
John Bell Son Single Male 6 1875 - Bishop Auckland, Durham, England
Margaret Connor Visitor Single Female 22 1859 - Scotland
Robert Ravean Visitor Single Male 1 1880 - Ferryhill, Durham, England
John Bell Brother Married Male 22 1859 Coal Miner Spennymoor, Durham, England
Ann Bell Sister In Law Married Female 18 1863 - Germany
Mary Bell Daughter Niece Single Female 0 1881 - Ferryhill, Durham, England

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Sep 2019 18:06

That army record has father Anthony Bell crossed through and "none" written in, for siblings full or half it just has "none".

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Sep 2019 18:25

AHA! So that's this one which helps not at all!


BELL, DAVID DENNISON DENNISON
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 242

First name(s) David Dennison
Last name Bell
Gender Male
Birth year 1872
Birth place -
Baptism year 1872
Baptism date 17 Mar 1872
Residence Shildon, Durham, England
Place Shildon
County Durham
Country England
Father's first name(s) Anthony
Father's last name Bell
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Mother's last name Bell
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975


Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%)
BELL Anthony Auckland 10a 381
Dennison Margaret Auckland 10a 381

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Sep 2019 18:25

That 1891 census. Margaret is born ???? Head, W B. Or N B.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Folly Road, Brotherton, Pontefract, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Anthony Bell Head Married Male 48 1843 Miner Durham, Durham, England
Margaret Bell Wife Married Female 31 1860 - -
Robert Bell Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Durham, Durham, England
Mark Bell Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Durham, Durham, England
Anthony Bell Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Durham, England
Andrew Bell Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Yorkshire, England
Agnes R Bell Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Castleford, Yorkshire, England


EDIT Could be born BarrHead.

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Sep 2019 18:33

Perhaps Margaret Dennison was his true wife. She was described as being a 'lunatic' on the 1881 census. I wonder who Margaret Connor from Scotland is.

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Sep 2019 18:50

a couple of other Bell/Dennison children

BELL, SARAH DENNISON DENNISON
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 272

BELL, JOHN THOMAS DENNISON
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 253

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 25 Sep 2019 19:00

No idea on Census below, the Soldier Robert Bell War Death 1915, makes mention of Widow Mary Ann (Soldiers Effects)...

Chris :)

1911
Robert Bell Head Married Male 31 1880 Coal Miner Hewer Durham N K
Mary Bell Wife Married Female 30 1881 - Yorkshire Methley
Edna May Bell Daughter Single Female 2 1909 - Yorkshire West Allerton
Robert Harold Bell Son Single Male 3 1908 - Yorkshire Castleford
Anthony Bell Boarder Widower Male 70 1841 Coal Miner Hewer Durham N K
Clark Hutton Boarder Single Male 28 1883 Coal Miner Hewer Ireland Co Derry
51 King Street Glasshoughton, Glass Houghton, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),
(says Married 4yrs, 3 children born, 2 living, 1 died)


Edits

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
BELL Robert Pontefract 9c 171
ROGERS Mary Ann Pontefract 9c 171

Birth
BELL, EDNA MAY ROGERS
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in TADCASTER Volume 09C Page 1034

(on Marriage image, age 27, Bachelor, occ. Miner, his Father, Anthony Bell, occ. Miner. Residence, 33, Temple Street. Mary Ann, 25, Spinster, 3, Leaf St, Father, Enoch Rogers, occ. Miner, wits. Enoch Rogers, Sarah Ann Rogers )

(below was at 5)

1901
John Thos Bell Head Married Male 24 1877 Coal Hewer Durham, Durham, England
Lily Bell Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Castleford, Yorkshire, England
John Ed Bell Son - Male 0 1901 - Castleford, Yorkshire, England
5, Temple Street, Castleford, Pontefract, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),


1911
Robert Hall Boarder Single Male 46 1865 Carter Nottingley Yorkshire
John Thomas Bell Head Married Male 34 1877 Coal Miner Hewer -
Lillie Bell Wife Married Female 33 1878 - Castleford Yorkshire
John Thomas Bell Son - Male 9 1902 - Castleford Yorkshire
Robert Bell Son - Male 8 1903 - Castleford Yorkshire
Margaret Bell Daughter - Female 4 1907 - West Allerton Yorkshire
26 Eastfield Lane Castleford, Castleford, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),


Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Bell John Thomas Pontefract 9c 189
Hall Lilley Pontefract 9c 189

(his Father also Anthony Bell, occ. Miner, and below also)

David Bell abt 1872 26 Dec 1898 Castleford, All Saints Maria Isabell Broome


1901
David Bell Head Married Male 29 1872 Colliery Bye Worker Cragg Hill, Durham, England
Maria Isabell Bell Wife Married Female 27 1874 - Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Victoria Eva Bell Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
6, Carleton View, Pontefract, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),


1911
David Bell Head Married Male 40 1871 Fish Hawker Durham NK
Maria Isabell Bell Wife Married Female 38 1873 - Yorks Aberford
Victoria Eva Bell Daughter - Female 10 1901 - Yorks Pontefract
Arthur Bell Son - Male 7 1904 - Yorks Glass H
7 King Street Glasshoughton, Glass Houghton, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),


(probably relates below)

09 December 1896 - Yorkshire Evening Post - Leeds, Yorkshire, England

At Castleford to-day, Anthony Bell, miner, was fined 15s., or fourteen days, for having matches in his possession at Glass Houghton Colliery


British Army Service Records
First name(s)
Robert
Last name Bell
Birth year 1879
Birth parish Bull Craig (Bull Cragg)
Birth town Durham
Birth county Durham
Birth country England
Service number 7697
Regiment York And Lancaster Regiment
Year 1897
Attestation date 07 Dec 1897
Attestation age years 18
Attestation age months 2
Attestation service number 7697

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Sep 2019 19:02

That's the one I'm sure Chris, children are on the service record/

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Sep 2019 19:05

Margaret Lee???

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Sleetburn Colliery, Brandon & Byshottles, Durham, Durham, England

Richard Y Teasdale Head - Male 56 1815 - Durham, England
Mary Teasdale Wife - Female 46 1825 - Northumberland, England
William M Teasdale Son - Male 26 1845 - Durham, England
John R Teasdale Son - Male 17 1854 - Durham, England
Margaret Lee Servant - Female 12 1859 - Scotland Renfrewshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Sep 2019 19:16

And her parents?

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Sleetburn Colliery, Brandon & Byshottles, Durham, Durham, England

Patrick Lee Head - Male 45 1826 - Ireland
Margaret Lee Wife - Female 41 1830 - Ireland
Rebecca Lee Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Scotland
John Lee Son - Male 16 1855 - Scotland
Thomas Lee Son - Male 13 1858 - Scotland
Jane Lee Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Scotland
Peter Clark Lodger - Male 40 1831 - Ireland
Charles Reynolds Lodger - Male 26 1845 - London, Middlesex, England
William Wilson Lodger - Male 50 1821 - Yorkshire, England
Edward Tooley Lodger - Male 43 1828 - Ireland
John Green Lodger - Male 46 1825 - Durham, England



Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Lee
Sex Female
Birth year 1859
Birth date 27 Jun 1859
Baptism year 1859
Baptism date 27 Sep 1859
Denomination Roman Catholic
Baptism place Barrhead
Parish St John
Diocese Glasgow
County Renfrewshire
Country Scotland
Father's first name(s) Patrick
Father's last name Lee
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Mother's last name Lindsay

John

John Report 25 Sep 2019 19:23

Looks like 1871 could be her, her parents must have lived in Durham because she surely wouldn't be in Durham on her own age 12. Another mystery Rambling, see one of her children on the 1901 census was Enock, Lee, found him born Pontefract in 1899 but couldn't find him or mother Margaret on the 1911 census. In 1901 she was in prison in Pontefract. name of Bell been written in.

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Sep 2019 19:34

Enoch in 1911. He is a boarder under L G B, whatever that is.

1911 Census For England & Wales

77 Balby Road Balby Doncaster Yorkshire, Balby with Hexthorpe, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Maria Abel Head Single Female 61 1850 - Bedford
Andrew Thomas Abel Brother Widower Male 54 1857 Fitter Discharged Medically Pupil Late Of Arsenual Woolwich St James Doncaster
Enoch Lee Boarder - Male 12 1899 School Pontefact Yorks