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One of my ancestors, a Charles Mortimer, was born in Mildenhall, Wiltshire in 1821. He was the son of Edward Mortimer and Miriam James. I have found him on the 1841 census return living in Stratton, Wiltshire and then in 1861 in St Giles, Middlesex lodging with the Welling Family. I have not been able to locate him in 1851, or 1871 onwards - would appreciate any help. The 1861 census shows that he married a lady called Mary b 1825 and it looks like the place of birth is Whur Castell but I've tried looking on Google for this place name and nothing comes up. Any ideas?

1851???

Charles Mortines
[Charles Mortimer]
Age: 26 - NO! Image says 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Mortines
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Amesbury, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Amesbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Sub-registration district: Orcheston
Name Age
Charles Mortines 26 (40)
Mary Ann Mortines 41

If he is actually 40 in that entry like it looks on the actual record then his birth year would be 1811 and it wouldn't be my Charles Mortimer. Not sure where they got 26 from on that.

Just came back to edit that it was probably the wrong person. At least that one can be ruled out.

Can't make out the 1861 one either.

For ref so others can have a try
Charles Mortimer
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Mar
Gender: Male
Where born: Menel, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: St Giles
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Name Age
John Welling 35
Harris Welling 30
Matilda Welling 4
>>>>>>Charles Mortimer 42
>>>>>>Mary Mortimer 36

for ref

1861 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 2, Parker Street
Parish St Giles
District St Giles, St Giles South
Administrative County London, Middlesex

Householder 1
Name John Melling
Age 35
Estimated Year of Birth 1826
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation General Dealer
Birth Place
Birth County

Householder 2
Name Harriet Melling
Age 31
Estimated Year of Birth 1830
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Lock Maker
Birth Place
Birth County

Householder 3
Name Matilda Melling
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1857
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place
Birth County

Householder 4
Name Charles Mortensen
Age 42
Estimated Year of Birth 1819
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation General Dealer
Birth Place
Birth County Wiltshire

Householder 5
Name Mary Mortensen
Age 36
Estimated Year of Birth 1825
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Servant
Birth Place Castell Wymer
Birth County

Householder 6
Name Jeremiah Sullivan
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1840
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Labourer
Birth Place Douglas, Scotland
Birth County

Householder 7
Name Charlotte Sullivan
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Costermonger
Birth Place St Giles In The Fields
Birth County

Householder 8
Name Sullivan
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place St Giles In The Fields
Birth County

How did you come by him - down from an earlier ancestor, or back from a more recent one? Whilst not meaning/intending to criticise your research skills, sometime it helps to have it checked.

It is annoying with him being from Mildenhall what with there being two Mildenhalls in England - one in Wiltshire (where my Charles comes from) and one in Suffolk. The one in Wiltshire was also called Minal.

Edward Mortimer and Miriam James are my 4x great grandparents. They married in Avebury in 1798, moved to Alton Priors where they had my 3x great grandfather Thomas Mortimer in 1809, then they moved to Mildenhall where they had the rest of their children. I have been to Wiltshire record office and obtained the baptism records for their children which is what gave me Charles' details. We never found a corresponding burial for him there so presume he lived through childhood. Plus with finding the 1861 census record for a Charles born in Mildenhall (see entry above) I am assuming this is him as there are no other Charles Mortimer's born Mildenhall around that time.

Could this help with identifying the place name for Mary? Think phonetically

A Topographical Dictionary of Great Britain and Ireland ..., Volume 1, Part 1
By John Gorton

http://goo.gl/5d904

They could have both died before the 1871 census. Have you searched for deaths in Middlesex?

I'm thinking Whur Castell might be in Wales as Castell translates to Castle in Welsh. But still not sure about the first bit

I was toying with Castile (Spain) but they would probably have put Spain :-)

Sorry - can't help. Hope someone else can come up with something for you.

Try Gins suggestion of research Middx/City of London deaths

Might be worth chasing this Mary Ann on the censuses


Marriages Jun 1861
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Beal Lucy St Giles 1b 604
Jolly John Treadway St Giles 1b 604
Mortimer Charles St. Giles 1b 604
Pollexfen Mary Ann St Giles 1b 604

The Pollexfen name rings a bell actually - think I've tried looking in to her before but will have another go. I have had a look at the burials for Middlesex and found the following:
Deaths Dec 1863 (>99%)
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Mortimer Charles Hackney 1b 248

This is the only in Middlesex between 1861 and 1871. There are quite a few Mary Mortimer's buried - none for Hackney to match the Charles Mortimer. The ones from 1866 onwards don't match up with regards to age at time of death leaving me with five options to play with. That said, she may well have still been alive in 1871 census but as I don't know what her actual place of birth is, I'm not sure where to go with it. Even if Charles did die between 1861 and 1871 - I'm still to locate him in 1851!

If the 1863 death is for 'your' Charles, Mary may have married again by the next census, under the Mortimer surname

Well I've not come up with much re: Mary Pollexfen - cannot find her on the census for 1851/1861 nor a birth around 1825 - (only checked Family Search though).

Thought I'd check out the Welling family that Charles and Mary were living with but so far haven't found much on them either.

Someone suggested it could be White Castle that Mary was born. Found the following places:
whitecastle in Lanarkshire, Scotland
white castle is a street in Swindon, Wiltshire
white castle in Abergavenny
white castle in Louisianna, USA
white castle in donegal, ireland

There is an 1881 census record in Scotland for a C H Mortimer and Mary Mortimer (born Ireland) as follows:

Name: Mary Mortimer
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : C H Mortimer
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 587
Registration district: Dalry
Civil parish: Dalry
Town: Dalry
County: Ayrshire
Address: New Street
Occupation: Labourer'S Wife
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 76
Line: 21
Roll: cssct1881_183
Household Members:
C H Mortimer 59
Mary Mortimer 57
Mary C Mortimer 6

It lists C H Mortimer as being from England - annoyingly, I can't view the original - anyone have access to ScotlandPeople site to view the actual image to see if there is any extra information?

Possibly not connected...but interesting

Name: Charles Mortimer
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Mildenhall, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: St Saviours
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 343
Folio: 45
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Clifford 34
Ann Clifford 28
Ellen Clifford 5
Alice Clifford 4
Charles Mortimer 20
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Original
Record

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Scotlandspeople isn't a subscription site - you'd have to buy credits to view :-0

1851 census transcription details for: Farm House, Lodge Hill, Thornton
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2107
Folio: 200
Page: 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reg. District: Horncastle
Sub District: Horncastle
Parish: Thornton
Enum. District: 4A
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Farm House, Lodge Hill, Thornton
County: Lincolnshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
POLLEXFEN, Stephen Head Married M 46 1805 Farmer Of 395 Acres Employing 9 Labourers
Frieston, Lincolnshire
POLLEXFEN, Sarah Wife Married F 44 1807
Mareham Le Hill, Lincolnshire
POLLEXFEN, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832 Farmers Daur
Frieston, Lincolnshire
POLLEXFEN, Martha Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833 Farmers Daur
Frieston, Lincolnshire
POLLEXFEN, Stephen Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Farmers Son
Frieston, Lincolnshire
POLLEXFEN, Browne Son Unmarried M 13 1838 Scholar
Frieston, Lincolnshire
POLLEXFEN, Edward Son M 11 1840 Scholar
Frieston, Lincolnshire
POLLEXFEN, Sarah Ann Daughter F 8 1843 At Home
Frieston, Lincolnshire
POLLEXFEN, Henry Son M 5 1846 At Home
Frieston, Lincolnshire
POLLEXFEN, Emma Daughter F 0 (6 MOS) 1851 At Home
Thornton, Lincolnshire
WELLS, Mary Widow F 83 1768
Blind Roughton, Lincolnshire
GLASIER, Jane Servant Unmarried F 29 1822 House Servant
Stainton, Lincolnshire
PARROTT, Harriet Servant Unmarried F 17 1834 House Servant
Boston, Lincolnshire
HODGSON, John Timothy Servant Unmarried M 19 1832 Waggoner
Bennington, Lincolnshire
CURTIS, Thomas Servant Unmarried M 23 1828 Ag Serv
Guadring, Lincolnshire
LEGGETT, Thomas Servant Unmarried M 17 1834 Ag Serv
Scrivelsby, Lincolnshire
COMMACK, Foster Fred Visitor Unmarried M 23 1828 Farmer
Bennington, Lincolnshire

Ah I see - I will check out ScotlandPeople then - thought it was a subscription site.

Thanks HeyJudeB4Beatles for the Charles Mortimer in Southwark - That family is related to me a few generations down.

Thanks Moody Blue for the Pollexfen record - that Mary Ann Pollexfen married in 1861 in Horncastle to Francis Seaman Dymoke so is not likely to be the one from St Giles.

Marriages Sep 1861 (>99%)
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Dymoke Francis Seaman Horncastle 7a 715
Dymoke Francis Seamen Horncastle 7a 715
POLLEXFEN Mary Ann Horncastle 7a 715