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Henry Nathanial Stopps and daughter Daisy Ellen

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chapman

chapman Report 26 May 2012 16:12

My grandpa was born 5th Dec.1889. My mother was born 23rd Oct.1913.My mother was brought up by her beloved 'Aunt Tilly' whose last name l am trying to find. l think she was a distant relative to my grandpa.
They lived in W.10 - Portabello Rd. There were Stopps members living there from about 1911-1927. l think 'Tilly' died in 1927/28/29, she would have been about eighty. 'Tilly' came over from America to look after my mother, she would have been in her sixties then. 'Tilly' had gone over to America as a dancer in her youth. If anyone has any information l would be very grateful. I need to have her on my family tree for my mothers sake!.
A lady called Wilma found my mother's aunts full name - Matilda Amelia Bellamy (Tilly) born not sure 1849/58 in Kensington do not think it was Birmingham? died 1929 in Kensington (absolutely sure about that). l tried all night to find her in passport applications coming back from America in about 1916. no luck so far. l think she came back on the Queen Mary. Initially 'Tilly' went out to America as a dancer but do not know what year. Thankyou to everyone who has helped me so far as l know time is precious!.

Sheila.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 May 2012 16:14

Have you tried Search Trees to see if anyone is researching the same family

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 May 2012 16:18

just posting for our info
ame: Henry Nathaniel Stopps
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1890
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 98

Name: Henry Nathaniel Stopps
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Spouse Name: Daisy Mary Sheppard
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Feb 1912
Parish: Notting Hill Christ Church
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: William Benjamin Stopps
Spouse Father Name: Henry Sheppard
Register Type: Parish Register


Name: Daisy E Stopps
Mother's Maiden Name: Sheppard
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1913
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 218

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 May 2012 16:21

Name: Female Stopps
Mother's Maiden Name: Shepherd
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1912
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 221

Name: (Female) Stopps
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1912
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1912
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 165

Name: (Male) Stopps
Mother's Maiden Name: Shepherd
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 205

so siblings that maybe didnt survive

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 26 May 2012 16:25

Welcome Sheila.

This is a good ask.

There must have been a good relationship for her to come back to care for your mom.

Others will know more about electoral roll chances but off the top of my head is a search on FreeBMD by first name only for that area and try not to let your fingers get cramped with all that crossing them.

The question is though, if she was known as Tilly but that wasn't her real name, how big the chance of finding the right death. I'm only able to think of Tilly as short for Matilda but there must be others.

Maybe by the time I have finished my slow typing, someone will have found the immigration record for her :-D

The only other idea, if all else fails, and we can't find her for you, is that you make a start on your tree. Build it as much as you can and with luck, she will show up that way.

If you can find out what area her death would have been registered under, I don't mind trawling through FreeBMD for a Tilly or Matilda.

This is the sort of challenge we all love on here. ;-)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 May 2012 16:27

??
Name: Rachel Stopps
Birth Date: abt 1841
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1923
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 200

Andrew

Andrew Report 26 May 2012 16:38

There is an extensive WW1 on Ancestry

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about Henry Nathaniel Stopps
Name: Henry Nathaniel Stopps
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Age at enlistment: 25
Residence: 10 Western Terrace, North Kensington
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 030482
Regiment Name: Army Service Corps
Number of images: 4



Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 26 May 2012 16:42

On the 1922 electoral Role, At the same address as Henry are Frank and Emma Matilda Martin??

EDIT STill together in 1925 and 1929

Emma is not there in 1935, daughter Daisy is recorded.

Death for Emma

Deaths Mar 1934 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Martin Emma M 63 Kensington 1a 265


Andy

Choccy

Choccy Report 26 May 2012 16:56



living with Henry Nathaniel Stopps and Daisy M Stopps in Kensington on the Electoral register is

Matilda Amelia Bellamy (?'Tilly')



this could be her death in 1929

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006

Name: Matilda Bellamy
Birth Date: abt 1849
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1929
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 117






Andrew

Andrew Report 26 May 2012 16:58

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Emma Martin
Name: Emma Martin
Birth Date: abt 1873
Age: 40
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 21 Oct 1913
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Andania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Andania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 135481

Andy

Choccy

Choccy Report 26 May 2012 18:39



PM received -

' have had about ten answers in about an hour? All different, but l know this Matilda Amelia Bellamy was my mums much loved aunt. l knew she was born about 1849 but l was looking under the name Stopps?. l also knew she died about 1929. l remember my mum saying she had just left school. l have all my mums prizes (books) all dated 1928.
so it all ties up. l didn't know how to get into the editorial roll for W.10'


Thanks given for everyone's help.


MargaretM

MargaretM Report 26 May 2012 18:49

Possibly Matilda's death?

Deaths Mar 1930 (>99%)
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Bellamy Matilda 85 Wandsworth 1d 699

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 27 May 2012 05:05

Looking at those war records ...........



Henry is noted as being 5'3" tall, he had a birthmark on his lip, and he had tattoos on his left arm ...... "Sailor" and "I L DS"

His next of Kin was Daisy Mary Stopps, wife

He shows only the one child, Daisy Ellen




sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 27 May 2012 05:23

Matilda Amelia Bellamy is shown as living with Henry Nathaniel Stopps and Daisy Mary Stopps on the 1918 and 1919 Electoral Registers. Address:- 4 St Ervans Road


In 1918 and 1919, Frank and Emma Matilda Martin and members of the King family are also living there

They could be servants OR, more likely, the house is divided into flats.




sylvia

chapman

chapman Report 27 May 2012 20:36

Henry Nathanial Stopps (grandfather) 1889 (Dec.5th) to 1957
Daisy Ellen Stopps (my mother) 1913 to 1977

l asked for help to find my mother's Aunt Tilly's last name and all the people in my thread helped me with that and with added information- very kind. Her name is Matilda Amelia Bellamy (Tilly) born in Birmingham 1849 died 1929 in Kensington.

A very kind lady from Genes has just e-mailed me to say that l need to write a general thankyou to everyone instead of thanking everyone separately which l have done but l will know better next time.

Kind regards,

Sheila.

Thankyou everyone, l appreciated all your help very much

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 27 May 2012 23:06

Hi Sheila, You are more than welcome. It's always a pleasure for any of us on here to help the newer members. And a thank you is always appreciated.

Let us know if you need more help.Jill

These are the only entries on FreeBMD that I can find for Matilda but not Matilda Amelia.

urname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1849 (>99%)
Bellamy Matilda Birmingham 16 386
Births Sep 1849 (>99%)
Bellamy Matilda Birmingham 16 336

Pam

Pam Report 28 May 2012 17:12

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Jun 1849 (>99%)
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Bellamy Matilda Birmingham 16 247

chapman

chapman Report 28 May 2012 19:35

Pam,
Thankyou but our Matilda Bellamy died in Kensington absolutely sure but think now she was also born in Kensington. Birth date could be a bit later.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 28 May 2012 20:32

how certain are you that Bellamy is/was her birth name?

She could possibly have married when overseas.




sylvia

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 28 May 2012 20:53

So not Birmingham?

I think that you need to obtain her death cert. It should help to stop us all finding the wrong people in the wrong places :-D

Still, pretty soon we will all be experts on all the Matilda Bellamy's born in the UK :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Seriously, we will try help you to find the right one if we can.

Jill