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Thanks Maureen. Yes William was a farmer and all indications are that he was around the Hodgeville area (they have a typo).
Interesting about the TB hospital. That could certainly be a reason for her being up there. Wow you guys (and gals) are a mine of information. I'm impressed.
I have heard from my Canadian contacts but regrettably they have no info on the place of death, so I think that I'll probably leave Jennie's death as Aug 1915, which is the original info I was given. To put the day and place in when they may be incorrect is probably not the right thing to do. However the more I think about it the more I feel that your death entry is my Jennie, bearing in mind that I was given Aug 1915 in the first place. I really like your theory re TB. I must sleep on it.
Thanks again Maureen, and have a good day.
Bryn
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For reference, here's Henry's censuses referred to earlier:
1881: Household:
Name Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion
Thomas STUBINS M Male English 48 England Farmer C. Presbyterian
Ester STUBINS M Female English 30 Ontario C. Presbyterian
James STUBINS Male English 10 Ontario C. Presbyterian
Jane STUBINS Female English 7 Ontario C. Presbyterian
Easter STUBINS Female English 6 Ontario C. Presbyterian
Henry STUBINS Male English 1 Ontario C. Presbyterian
Jane STUBINS W Female Irish 82 Ireland C. Presbyterian
Mary STUBINS Female English 40 England C. Presbyterian
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Source Information:
Census Place Howick, Huron North, Ontario
Family History Library Film 1375909
NA Film Number C-13273
District 175
Sub-district A
Division 2
Page Number 10
Household Number 39
1881: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e329/e008203561.pdf
1891: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148095-00573.pdf
1901-S1: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000017771.pdf
1901-S2: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000022580.pdf [24-13-26]
1906: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001203314.pdf [23/24/24 - 13 - 26]
1911: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002098563.pdf [?-13-8-W3]
[The 1911 image lists Wm @ ?-12-8-W3 like the preceeding household, but Wm's family all at 13-8 - looks like enumerator error since the latter matches his land grant(s)]
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Just to add a note -- the transcription of Ontario BMDs at Ancestry.ca is an abomination. Your "Kalliaume" is a prime example. No effort at all has been made to produce meaningful transcriptions. When using that database, one *always* has to view the images of the registers to verify -- and also because they often contain loads of information (more than is on an actual certificate in England).
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Don't know your guys connection, but I'm sure there must be one:
Vol 15, pg 366 - Henry William STUBBINS, 30, farmer, Asia, Howick, s/o Thomas STUBBINS & Jane WILSON, married Philmena HUCK, 18, Canada, Salem - Peel twp., d/o Jacob HUCK & Magdalena SHELL, witn: Donald McKENZIE of Minto & Mary YOUNG of Howick, 24 Jan 1871 at Wroxeter
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/
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We're looking abt 80km NW of Guelph.
Re 1881 - go to: http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/SearchMapframes.php
Click on Huron, then Howick, then "Click here to generate index of people "
Last Name Stubbins
First Name James Thomas
Post Office Harriston
Township Howick
County Huron
Atlas Date 1879
Concession and Lot Lot size
XI, 32 100
Next click on the get a larger map link:
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/images/maps/townshipmaps/hur-m-Howick.jpg
Concession 11 only has 33 lots (then you hit Minto Twp in Wellington Co), so JTS's is almost the most easterly.
Here, a full lot is 100ac = 1000 square chains, so clearly 20 chns x 50 chns (NB 80 chns =1 mile)
Search for Gorrie, Ontario, Canada at: http://maps.google.com/
From Gorrie, head E on Harriston Rd until it changes to Wellington Rd.
At this point, head N on the Howick-Minto Townline until you get to Orange Hill Rd.
This is the concession road in front of JTS's lot.
There's 3 lots between Howick-Minto Townline and Mud Lake Line to east.
JTS's is the middle one N of Orange Hill Rd. Looks like there's still a farm there.
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Many things can be gotten thru the LAC gateway:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html
A search at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/western-land-grants/001007-100.01-e.php
shows James Thomas Stubbins got letters patent (i.e., title) to S24NW-T13-R26-W1M on 26/10/1886.
So he probably moved to MB 1883, but could be earlier. [image shows T=13, not 3 - I've done the "Suggest a Correction" thingy]
James Thomas Stubbins, the younger, got patent 25/4/1902 on the adjacent quarter S24SW [again, I've done the "Suggest a Correction" thingy]
William H Stubbins and James's don't have an image, but note the volume #s 745,450,660.
Click on "search help" at top right, and note section "Finding the year the land was granted"
450 April 04, 1911 - April 11, 1911 C-6299
660 March 30, 1915 - April 09, 1915 C-6460-C-6461
745 May 28, 1917 - June 05, 1917 C-6532-C-6533
I didn't find a satisfactory map, but using:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/post-offices/001001-100.01-e.php
gets Hodgeville Sec.4, Twp.14, R.7, W3 - 1908-07-01
It's 172 km from Moose Jaw to Swift Current, so start on this trip.
After abt 110 km turn off the Trans-Canada and head S for 35 km and you're in Hodgeville.
To get to S36NW T13 R8 W3M just head W for 2-3 miles, and it's there on your left.
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Here is JTS in 1851(1852). Fortunately, he wasn't in Howich township [Howick] since "The manuscript census returns for this sub-district/division no longer exist."
NB The agricultural census for Biddulph doesn't exist either
Home / 1852 / Canada West / Huron (county) / 136 Biddulph township / p. 4d, 5a, (9) Split view
15 Stubens, Thomas Farmer England Church of England 52 M
16 Stubens, Jane Ireland Church of England 44 F
17 Stubens, Mary Jane England Church of England 12 F
18 Stubens, Elizbeth England Church of England 10 F
19 Stubens, James Thomas England Church of England 19 M
20 Stubens, Henry William England Church of England 16 M
1851-a: http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e095/e002353868.pdf
1851-b/c: http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e095/e002353869.pdf
1851-d: http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e095/e002353870.pdf
[Pages c & d are blank for this h/h]
Based on this, here he is in 1841:
1841 England Census
Civil parish: Dudley
Hundred: Halfshire (Lower Division)
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Bath St
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
Thos Stubbins 40 Army P
Jane Stubbins 35 Ireland
James Stubbins 8
Henry Stubbins 5
Mary Stubbins 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1196; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Dudley; County: Worcestershire; Enumeration District: 16; Folio: 44; Page: 29; Line: 24; GSU roll: 464207.
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1196; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Dudley; County: Worcestershire; Enumeration District: 16; Folio: 45; Page: 30; Line: 3; GSU roll: 464207.
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What can I say guys. I'm overwhelmed with the responses to the thread. I liked that you managed to think of the English connection. I see Thomas was in the Army. If I get a chance I will pop to Kew to try to check out his Army record.
My sincere thanks to everyone who contributed.
Bryn
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