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I am looking for information on the spouses of William Henry Stubbins born Ontario around 1880. I should point out that on various censuses his name is Henry, Henry W, William or William Henry.

On the 1911 census the first wife is transcribed as Annie, but closer inspection reveals the name to be Jennie. I was given the name Jennie by distant relatives. She is shown as being born in Prince Edward Island c 1885.

Looking for William Henry in earlier censuses and trying to follow his family to 1911, I find one family which I suspect is his. He is shown with the same family in different years as Henry or Henry W. I am sure this must be my WTS. From 1861 to 1881 the family were in Huron, Ontario then in 1891, 1901 and 1906 are in Marquette, Manitoba. On the 1906 census Henry is shown with a wife JANE. It is probable that Jennie and Jane are the same person.

I am trying to get marriage info so I can get the wifes maiden name and check back along her line.

Jennie/Jane died in 1915. Any death info would be appreciated. The 1911 census shows the family in Moose Jaw, Sask.

William Henry Stubbins remarried in 1919 to a Clara MacDowell (McDowell ?). I dont know if this was Claras first marriage so I cant say if MacDowell is her family or married name. Any info on the marriage would be appreciated.

Also any family history re Clara would be helpful. It is believed that she hailed from Ontario, but not certain.

Clara died in 1970 in Moose Jaw.

Theres a lot to go on here but the family did keep changing provinces.

I am basically looking to find out who the spouses were, the marriage details, and any background info on the spouses.

Thanks.

n

Name: Clara May Mcdowell
Birth Place: Hamilton
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Father Name: George Macdowell Catherine Isabell Ringhand Mcdowell
Mother Name: Mcdowell
Spouse Name: William Henry Stubbins
Spouse's Age: 35
Spouse Birth Place: Tp of Howick Huron Co
Spouse Father Name: J T Stubbins
Spouse Mother Name: Elizabeth Sararas Stubbins
Marriage Date: 12 Jan 1918
Marriage Location: Wentworth
Marriage County: Wentworth
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS932_470

richard

Richard ,

Thank you so much . At least I've got one spouse sorted.

So helpful.

Bryn

Name: Clarey May Mcdowell
Date of Birth: 11 May 1895
Gender: Female
Birth County: Wentworth
Father's Name: George Mcdowell
Mother's Name: Catherine Ringband
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS929_129

clara's siblings??.

Name: Margaret Jane Mcdowell
Date of Birth: 14 Nov 1887
Gender: Female
Birth County: Haldimand
Father's Name: George Mcdowell
Mother's Name: Kalliaume Ringland
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS933_13


Name: Joseph Norman Mcdowell
Date of Birth: 28 Mar 1905
Gender: Male
Birth County: Wentworth
Father's Name: George Mcdowell
Mother's Name: Catha Ringland
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS929_176

richard

parents marriage??

Name: George Mcdowell
Birth Place: Canada
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Father Name: William Mcdowell
Mother Name: Jane Mcdowell
Spouse Name: Catherine Ringland
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse Birth Place: Canada
Spouse Father Name: George Ringland
Spouse Mother Name: Jane Ringland
Marriage Date: 20 Jan 1887
Marriage Location: Wentworth
Marriage County: Wentworth
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS932_59

richard

Richard, you certainly have been working hard on my behalf. That information is so comprehensive it fulfills my purpose as regards the spouse Clara McDowell.
Thank you so much. Your efforts are appreciated.

If I could pick your brains - I See Clara's mother is Catherine and the siblings mother is Catha or Kalliaume. I have no doubt that these are one and the same. It is the name Kalliaume which intrigues me. I never heard it before. I am in UK so am not familiar with Canadian names. It sounds a bit French to me (cf Guillaume). Is this a typical name in Canada ?

Thanks again Richard.

Bryn

I think looking at the image margarets mothers name is (K)catherine, The writing of her name is not clearly written so it has just been mistranscribed.

Here is her wedding.

Name: Margaret McDowell
Birth Place: Caledonia
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Father Name: George McDowell
Mother Name: Catharine Ringland<<<<<<<<
Spouse Name: James Stark
Spouse's Age: 37
Spouse Birth Place: Tp of Omeda
Spouse Father Name: James Stark
Spouse Mother Name: Mary Dole
Marriage Date: 23 May 1906
Marriage Location: Haldimand
Marriage County: Haldimand
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS932_122

In the uk myself.

richard

The Manitoba Vital Stats:

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

GROOM'S LAST NAME: STUBBINS
GROOM'S GIVEN NAMES: WILLIAM HENRY
BRIDE'S LAST NAME: MCPHERSON
BRIDE'S GIVEN NAMES: JENNIE DATE OF MARRIAGE: 22/11/1905
PLACE OF MARRIAGE: WALLACE
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1905,001696
REGISTRATION DATE:


Maureen

Richard and Maureen.

Thank you so much.

It's marvellous that you are able to help.

Bryn

I'm inclined to put Cath's various namings down to transcription problems, rather than Canadian naming.
As you can see from the census image, Cath is Ontario born of Irish heritage.

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON HAMILTON (City/Cité) (#69)
Subdistrict: Ward/Quartier No. 3 C-10 Page 17
Image: View the image with: split screen
Images are from National Archives Web Site
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6471
11 171 McDole George M Head M Jul 20 1865 35
12 171 McDole Catharine F Wife M Sep 20 1863 37
13 171 McDole Margret J F Daughter S Nov 14 1887 13
14 171 McDole George J M Son S May 14 1893 7
15 171 McDole Claria M F Daughter S May 9 1895 5
16 171 McDole Maud F Daughter S Nov 11 1896 4
17 171 McDole Donald F M M Son S Jan 12 1901
18 171 McDole William J M Son S Feb 6 1899 2
19 171 Ringland George M Lodger M Aug 1874 26
20 171 Ringland Margret F Lodger M Apr 5 1878 22

1901-S1: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000067850.pdf
1901-S2: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000067833.pdf

Well done MGNV, That was one on failed on finding.

Tried searching not even using a surname, Don,t like not finding things.


richard

Thank you Maureen. Thank you Richard. Thank you MGNV.

You are all superstars. You are obviously experienced guys and know your way around the places to look for info.
Thanks to you I am learning.

You are all Superstars *****

Either my computer is working slower than usual today or it's the fault of the Manitoba Vital stats page,but I wonder if this is Jennie's death?
LAST NAME: STUBBINS
GIVEN NAMES: JENNIE
DATE OF DEATH: 07/08/1915
AGE: 30
UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: FEMALE
PLACE OF DEATH: STRATHCONA
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1915,190423
REGISTRATION DATE:

Maureen

Here's Clara grandparents:

1881 Household:
Name Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion
George RINGLAND M Male Irish 47 Ireland Labourer Church of England
Jane RINGLAND M Female English 42 England Church of England
Mary RINGLAND Female Irish 22 Ontario Church of England
John RINGLAND Male Irish 19 Ontario Church of England
Catherine RINGLAND Female Irish 17 Ontario Church of England
Margaret RINGLAND Female Irish 15 Ontario Church of England
Ellen RINGLAND Female Irish 13 Ontario Church of England
Willam RINGLAND Male Irish 9 Ontario Church of England
George RINGLAND Male Irish 6 Ontario Church of England
Robert RINGLAND Male Irish 4 Ontario Church of England
Maria RINGLAND Female Irish 2 Ontario Church of England
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Census Place Caledonia, Haldimand, Ontario
Family History Library Film 1375891
NA Film Number C-13255
District 146
Sub-district H
Page Number 25
Household Number 125


1881: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008189169.pdf
1891: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148142-00099.pdf

I think this is Clara's uncle John + step-kids

1906 Census Page Data
District: MB Marquette District (#5)
Subdistrict: 05 (Townships 13, 14, 15 in ranges 25, 26 west) Page 34
Image: View image using a split screen
Images are from the National Archives Web Site
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-18355
13 235 Ringland John Head M M 45 Links
14 235 Ringland Mary Wife F M 39 Links
15 235 Ringland Ellen Daughter F M 16 Links
16 235 Ringland Annie Daughter F S 11 Links
17 235 Ringland William Son M S 12 Links
18 235 Ringland Robert Son M S 3 Links
19 235 Marshall Peter Servant M S 14

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001203321.pdf
[John's address is S34-T14-R26-W1M]

By comparison, Henry + Jane's 1906 addy is S24-T13-R26-W1M, so maybe 10 miles away. See:

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001203314.pdf

You can read abt prairie addresses at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Land_Survey


There's a 1901 map at:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e034/e000835705.pdf
[Caution - the map is rotated a quarter turn, so North is the right edge]

You can also look up post offices at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/post-offices/001001-100.01-e.php
Beulah Sec. 4, Twp. 15, R. 26, WPM - 1882-04-01
Arrow River Sec. 25, Twp. 13, R. 26, W - 1883-09-01
[W1M=WPM - Meridian 1 is sometimes known as the prime meridian. In MB it's sometimes omitted as it's the only one of relevance - one just needs to know if you're E or W of it. Here, we're well W of it - in fact the top edge of the map is the MB-SK border]

John and Henry would have undoubtedly met, if only at the grain elevator.
What the significance is, that's for your speculation.

Maureen, Thanks for the possible death entry. This fits in exactly with the info I have about her age and on the face of it I would take it as being my Jennie.

Doubt arises however when I see from the 1911 Census she lived with husband and 2 sons at Moose Jaw, Sask. On the 1916 census her widowed husband lived at Swift Current, Sask.

The death regn you gave me was at Strathcona. Presumably as it was reg'd in Manitoba, this means Strathcona Manitoba. There is a Strathcona in Ontario and Sask. too. Confusing !

I am still drawn to your findings. How many Jennie Stubbins aged 30 (exactly correct) would die in Canada in the month of August 1915. Not many I suspect.

I have contacted my source in Canada who gave me the information about the death being in Aug 1915 to see if they can throw any light onto the place of death.

I will post any news.

Many thanks Maureen.

Bryn

MGNV - Thank you so much for all the information. It's amazing how you guys are coming up with all this so quickly. You seem to have got your head around the realationships. I am still using my notes and diagrams. Lack of knowledge of the geography of Canada is not helping, but I'm improving on that score.

I've certainly got a lot of info to digest.

One thing I found reassuring in your last but one post is that you picked up on Henry and Jane. Its clear that the Ringland and Stubbins families lived relatively close to each other.

Now this is not really the subject of this thread but as you seem to know this family better than me I will ask my question and raise my concerns. Two heads (or more as the case may be) are better than me alone.

For the past week I have been researching the origins of Jennie and Clara's husband William Henry Stubbins. There don't seem to be many around and I have a possible WHS which seems to be the same as MGNV mentioned.

There are some anomolies in my research and I ask for your views.

On 1881 C I have Henry, aged 1, at Huron North, Ontario.

On 1891 C I have Henry W. aged 11, at Miniota, Marquette, Manitoba.

On 1901 C I have Henry, aged 21, at Miniota, Marquette, Manitoba.

On 1906 C I have Henry, aged 24, at a different house at Miniota, Marquette, Manitoba, with wife JANE. His family have split a bit but all live a few houses away.

I have a few causes for concern that this might not be the WHS I am looking for. My doubts are :

(a) On the 1906 C Henry is shown born Manitoba, but on all earlier C's it was Ontario. I know with so many children and the fact the family moved from Ontario to Manitoba it might be just a simple mistake.

(b) On the 1906 C the wife is JANE. All my information points to the wife being Jennie. The marriage reg'n was as Jennie. It's possible I suppose that this is the enumerator's error or maybe she chose to be called Jane.

(c) This is the biggie !! On the C's from 1871 to 1906 WHS's parents are shown as Thomas and Esther apart from 1871 when father is James. As research says his name was James Thomas Stubbins,that's no problem. The real problem is with the mother, Esther.

Earlier research in this thread shows the mother as being Elizabeth Sararas, not Esther. This came from the Archives of Canada Microfilm MS932_470. I wonder if anyone has the ability to view the document to confirm the transcription.

Now my search in Ancestry for any trees containing Elizabeth or Esther Sararas threw up interesting info. I found a tree which shows the ancestors of a Henry Stubbins (no spouse no children shown). The tree shows the father of this Henry as being James Thomas Stubbins (1831-1904) and Esther "Hettie" Sararas (1851-1920). Interestingly Esther's parents are shown as JacobL Sararas (1906-1893) and Elizabeth Graybill (1810-1880).
This leads me to think that there were errors in the transcription of the marriage details of WHS and CMM in so much that the grandmother's name Elizabeth was picked up instead of the mother's name Esther. Or am I presuming too much?

I would welcome any thoughts anyone might have on this presumption.

Many thanks again to everyone for contributing to this thread.

Bryn

Well,on the marriage cert,William's mother is definitely given as Elizabeth Sararas. He's a widowed farmer and his place of residence is Holtsville,Sask. Obviously the same fellow. I wouldn't worry too much about the difference in names. People make strange mistakes when it comes to filling out official forms!

As for Jennie's death. It certainly does look like her. I wonder what the cause of death was? Just a thought,but there was a TB hospital at Ninette,Manitoba (which is in the Strathcona district).

All speculation on the above!!

Maureen