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Just wanted to add ive found that Florance Browning was a child to Kate 1921 but she passed away in 1922 so defo not my nan.... just wanted to advise this incase anyone is looking at this... So it appears really that my nan was never registered :(

Well, we have no guarantee that the death of Ernest Hanwell is the right fella. But it wouldn't help even if we knew it was.

My dear, having two children with a different woman to the one you were married to, and who was married to someone else, was far more common than you might think.

You don't know the circumstances. Ernest might have been an utter swine, a drunkard and a wife-beater. Grace Williams might have been a lazy slut. Ernest might have been shellshocked during WW1 and went crazy in 1927. He might have been sent to a mental institution. He might have run off with Grace Williams, and poor James and Annie consoled each other. Or maybe James was an utter swine, a drunkard and a wife-beater, and Annie was the slut. Who knows?

More likely, they were ordinary people who all just found themselves in unhappy marriages and found comfort in each other.

yes this is true i suppose im just thinking back in them days surely they didnt do that kind of thing but perhaps they did il prob never know that bit lol.... but as there is defo not an james and annie marriage they must not of married but it must be that annie first married ernest do you think all that part is correct?

thanks :)

Back in them days, Alexandra, they did exactly the same as people do today, and did 500 years ago, and will do in another 500 years.

yes i suppose you are right there.... well i think thats the mystery uncovered there.... but i think also its safe to say my poor nans birth wasnt every registered too
thanks madmeg and
thanks all that helped me

Well, I've not given up on your nan's birth yet. That's a new one, might take a bit of time.

I've also been trying to find a birth registration for Dorothy but haven't come up with anything.

As you said she was in a children's home and her mother didn't die until she was 8, I wonder if it's possible that she also had a different father as the one birth in 1931 was registered in 2 names.

Have you been able to check baptisms for the area of the earlier births.?

I see the last one before your nan was registered Dec qtr 1924.

Christine

Hello again ladies and thank you for your continued help and advice,

Im not sure i mean to me only one child out of 7 unregistered is a little odd... i have all my nans children home papers here she was in the shirely school.... i have all the records of when they tried to get hold of the father for payments and permission to emigrate the children to canada and/or british columbia.... he had signed it and stated if it was in best interest of the children he was happy for them to be emigrated. My nan doesnt hold very high thoughts of her father 'George Browning' i think probably because all of this.... He had no fixed address and alot of the copies of letters i have are ones that were left at local post offices for when he collected his war pension.

James Alfred Browning was the son born before my nan and i have a copy if his birth cert here he was born 4th August 1924.... All its thought is my nan is between that time and 1931.... as kate died 1933.... i dont know why we say her d.o.b is 24 aug 1925 as obviously it may not be....

My nan didnt even know about a sister Florence who died aged 1. The silblings are all still alive except for george and i think james is but unsure Edith is quite elderly now and says my nans name is dorothy but when your young you do just believe things that are stated to you.

To my knowledge there was no marriage between Kate Browning nee Pickett and David Bovis who is stated as the father on Daniel Browning / Bovis birth cert.... and interestingly enough Kate died of septecemia following an abortion....

I did think about writing to my nans sisters but i feel they wouldnt know anything further as they were young my nan was only 8 when her mother died

:)

im wondering if someone has a minute still to do with this family my nans mother kate was 1 of 6 children to annie banks (1867-1907) and james pickett (1864-1944) im wondering if anyone can do a cenus search for the family to confirm the other children i have Jane, Thomas, James, Kate, John and Ann.... im trying to see if they had any other children and to confirm they have the same mother MMN Banks.... i tell you why.... because another member who is connected seems to think her James married Grace Darling.... i have looked at freeBMD and no marriage.... she is thinking that the childrens mother was Grace Darling but i have Kates birth here and Anns and both state Annie Banks.... so i think maybe her info is wrong here.... The only children she has on her tree decended from James (1864-1944) is bob, thomas, dick and James.... now i know on james's birth it states mother annie banks as i have it.... i dont think bob and dick are the real names and ive already stated about what info i have. so perhaps they were known as that.... i have looked at thomas births and i can not see the mothers maiden names im not sure on dates as its not on her info but i found 3 possibles in 1893 sept quarter..... i wonder if someone can verify the mothers maiden names?

im just really trying to piece this family together and im very confident i do hold the right info

:)

1911 Census

James Pickett 46 widower
Thomas 17
James 15
Frederick 13
Kate 12
Rosina 10
Alfred 5

5 Decima Street, Bermondsey

thank you i can place mostly all of them as Rosina was infact Ann Rosina their mother died 1907 so eplains why she wasnt in the entry but Frederick and alfred im confussed with.....


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There's this Frederick:

1901 England Census
about Frederick Pickett
Name: Frederick Pickett
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Catford, London, England

Civil parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 227
Household Members: Name Age
James A Beetles 40
Elizabeth Beetles 36
James F Beetles 14
Alice H Beetles 13
Frederick Pickett 2

But the 1911 census says Frederick was born in Bermondsey.

hmmm this is interesting?

thank you :)

This looks like the family in 1901 but there's no Kate.


1901 England Census
about James Pickett
Name: James Pickett
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, London, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
James Pickett 36
Ann Pickett 34
Jane Pickett 10
Tom Pickett 7
James Pickett 4
John Pickett 7 months

Christine

yes but she may of not been home that day? she would of been approx 3 at this time....

thank you

I've found the childrens baptisms and also the marriage cert for James and Annie but on some she's Ann Rosina and other's Annie.

The occupation of James also seems to vary.

Name: Kate Pickett
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 2 Nov 1898
Father's Name: Janes Pickett
Mother's Name: Annie Pickett
Parish: St George the Martyr
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex



Name: James Pickett
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 Aug 1896
Father's Name: James Pickett
Mother's Name: Ann Rosina Pickett
Parish: St Paul, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex


Name: Frederick Pickett
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 Jul 1897
Father's Name: James Pickett
Mother's Name: Ann Pickett
Parish: St George the Martyr
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Name: Thomas Pickett
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 27 Oct 1893
Father's Name: James Pickett
Mother's Name: Ann Pickett
Parish: St Mark, Walworth
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex


Name: Jane Pickett
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 25 Nov 1891
Father's Name: James Pickett
Mother's Name: Ann Pickett
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex


Name: Ann Rosina Pickett
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 2 Feb 1902
Father's Name: James Pickett
Mother's Name: Ann Rosina Pickett
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex



Name: James Pickett
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Spouse Name: Annie Banks
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Sep 1887
Parish: St Mary Magdalene
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Pickett
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Banks

Christine

yes this is correct except i have john 1900 and no frederick :( i dont know if i have the wrong entry ?

Thank you

Do you have the actual images of the baptisms?

I can send them by email if you don't. You will need to pm me your email address.

Frederick was baptised at the same church as Kate and James has the same occupation.

Christine

have pm'd you thank you, i dont have the images but am wondering if john whom i have as the child was born perhaps frederick john ? or i have the wrong person all together lol

thanks again :)

Hi Alexandra,

Sorry for the delay, have just sent the images.

Frederick must be a different person to John as his baptism was 1897 and John was only 7 mths old in 1901.

I also found Arthur in 1903 but he musthave died soon after.

Births Dec 1903 (>99%)
Pickett Arthur St. Olave 1d 183

Deaths Dec 1903 (>99%)
Pickett Arthur 0 St. Olave 1d 97


Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
Pickett Alfred St. Olave 1d 197

Christine