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cud anyone help me 2 find out if the john letherd who was born in 1804 in england.he was an australian convict , shipped there in 1835. was married or any relation to the jennet leithead,born in whalley in 1806.she remarried about 1837.

From Ancestry convict transportation register. For reference.

Name: John Letherd
Vessel: Lady Nugent
Convicted Date: 9 Apr 1834
Voyage Date: 3 Dec 1834
Colony: New South Wales
Piece: HO 11/9
Place of Conviction: Lancaster, Lancashire, England


Between 1788 and 1958 the only marriage by someone with the family name of Leithead in NSW Aust was this one in 1929

2575/1929 ANDREWS FREDERICK W LEITHEAD ELIZABETH A CHATSWOOD

There were no marriages for anyone with a family name of Letherd in NSW Aust between those dates.

Did she marry before he was transported and then stay in UK and remarry. Are these possibilities. Her name is not exact.


James Atkinson 1837 Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding

Junet Leithead 1837 Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding

Edited following new information

Convict Death Register from Ancestry

Name: Jno Letherd
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Age: 47
Date of Death: 1 Jun 1854
District: Parramatta

The following searches on Ancestry also have info about John Leherd. I have removed the repetition of his name and details from between some sections.

New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia, Convict Pardons and Tickets of Leave, 1834-1859
Court, Land, Wills & Financial


Name: John Letherd
Arrival Year: 1835
Vessel: Ly. Nugent
Piece: HO 10/55
Province: New South Wales
Title: Pardons
Year(s): 1850-1859
Place of Conviction: Lancaster


New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia, Convict Pardons and Tickets of Leave, 1834-1859
Court, Land, Wills & Financial

New South Wales, Australia Convict Ship Muster Rolls and Related Records, 1790-1849
Immigration & Emigration


Name: John Letherd
Vessel: Lady Nugent
Arrival Year: 1835
Date of conviction: 9 Apr 1834

Name: John Letherd
Date of Trial: Jan 1826
Trial Year: 1826
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Court, Land, Wills & Financial

Australian Convict Index, 1788-1868
Court, Land, Wills & Financial

pm from Denise

.the only thing that i have on jennet is that she remarried in 1837 to a james atkinson in burnley.

jennet already had a son called james letherd born 1832.

I also av a john letherd born abt 1833. I dont know if he was her son as well,or from a different family.


My edit. We can now edit the marriages above to Jennet and James Atkinson.

Next step. Look at census data 1841 and 1851 to see if we can find James Lettherd aged 9 and John Lettherd age 8, and then aged 19 and 18.

This is too close to be a coincidence. Note the Whalley district. But why "Mary" and who is the other Mary. When was Jennet born.

1841 Census

Name: John Leathard
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Whalley
Hundred: Blackburn (Higher Division)
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Great Harwood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Leathard 35
Mary Leathard 13
James Leathard 10
John Leathard 8


Hold on I'll look at the image.
Only other info is their occupations Mary Snr is a weaver, Mary Jnr looks like "carder" and James is "teaser". All textile manufacturing.

You do realize that this could be a completely different family. It just comes up all the time. They are there in the 1851census as well. Thought perhaps Mary might have been John's sister. (I did think mother but that is really stupid).

In 1851 she is 48 which means her date of birth would have been 1803.

im trying 2 trace bak as far as i can with the lettherd family tree.i av ;john lettherd born 1923 he was my dad. james lettherd 1895 my grandad.james lettherd 1859 my gr grandad all b/burn.now this is were im getting confused; iv a john letherd born abt 1833.. a james letherd abt 1832 his mother was jennet & father jas both born abt 1804. also a john letherd 1804,he was the one sent 2 australia.
hope u understand all of this.
denise.

1861 census. Here is John Jnr with his name spelled more correctly. he has married Ann and has a family. The other people are boarders living at his address. All adults are associated with the cotton industry.

Household Members:
Name Age
John Lethard 28
Ann Lethard 30
Peter Lethard 10
William H Lethard 6
James Lethard 2
Mary Warhurst 27
Elizabeth Pickering 24
William Pickering 3
Edward Pickering 1 Mo

Whoo hoo. There is your James Letherd. 1861 census aged 2 years. Which means he was born in 1859. Father John mother Ann. Does that fit.

Was your great grandmother's name Ann.

sorry , i dont av a name 4 her. i do av a john letherd who married a ann pickering in 1853 b/burn. cud that be it.

If your great grandfather was born in 1859 and his father was John, and John married Ann in 1853 I'd say there is a pretty good chance it all fits.

Have you tried drawing a tree out on paper and putting all the people on it with their dates.

I'm a great believer in visual clues.

i do av a tree on paper,but i write that much down,ive got it all confused,u must think that ive been a rite pain.but thanks alot 4 all your help.

denise

the 1837 marriage of jennet & James Atkinson - Jennet was a spinster

Marriage: 23 Oct 1837 St James, Altham, Lancashire, England
James Atkinson - (X), of Full Age Labourer Bachelor of Altham
Jannet Leithead - (X), Full Age Weaver Spinster of Clayton
Groom's Father: George Atkinson, Laborer
Bride's Father: John Leithead, late, Laborer
Witness: Joseph Readfearn; Nancy Cockshut, (X)
Married by Banns by: Wm Wood Curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1862, Page 7, Entry 13
Source: LDS Film 1278856

Jennet's baptism - father John living Clayton same as marriage

Baptism: 7 Nov 1808 St James, Altham, Lancashire, England
Jannet Lethed - Daughter of John Lethed & Mary
Born: 1 Jan 1808
Abode: Clayton
Register: Baptisms 1807 - 1812, Page 3, Entry 18
Source: LDS Film 1278856

Baptism: 5 Feb 1832 St James, Altham, Lancashire, England
James Leithhead - Son of Janet Leithhead
Born: 15 Jan 1832
Abode: Harwood
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Wm. Wood
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1832, Page 190, Entry 1520
Source: LDS Film 1278856

Baptism: 1 May 1831 St James, Altham, Lancashire, England
James Leathhead - Son of John Leathhead & Mary
Born: 13 Feb 1831
Abode: Clayton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Wm. Wood
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1832, Page 183, Entry 1460
Source: LDS Film 1278856

i think these must b relations,the ones i av r john & ann lethard frm blackburn,they may be cousins