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thanks 4 ur help..im getting there,slowly but surely.its still abit confusing,its all the james & john in the family plus the surname being spelt differently all the time.

thanks again.

marriage of John Letherd & Mary Butler - note abode = Read & eldest daughter Mary baptised in Read

Marriage: 26 Jul 1826 St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England
John Letherd - (X), of Read
Mary Butler - (X), of Read
Witness: John Holling, (X); James Ingham
Married by Banns with consent of Parents by: Rd. Noble, Vicar
Banns recorded for this Marriage
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1827 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 122, Entry 368
Source: LDS File 1068756

possibly John's baptism (again Padiham in the same area) from the IGI

JOHN LETHARD
Christening: 27 JAN 1834 Unitarian, Padiham, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: JOHN LETHARD
Mother: MARY BUTLER

if we summarise a bit here with a possible scenario (various spelling of surname)

John Letherd b 1808 marries Mary
from 1841 census
has children Mary (baptism below) 1828
James 1831
John 1833

father John transported 1834 leaving Mary on her own with children as per 1841

1853 John (son of original John & Mary) marries Ann Pickering

you would need the marriage certificate of this one to prove fathers as marriages online for Blackpool do not go as far as 1853.

Baptism: 9 Nov 1828 St James, Altham, Lancashire, England
Mary Lethhead - Daughter of John Lethhead & Mary
Born: 24 Sep 1826
Abode: Read
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Wm. Wood
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1832, Page 157, Entry 1255
Source: LDS Film 1278856

note Altham, Clayton (in the parish of Whalley), Harwood, Read all in the Blackburn area

thanks.. cus i dont seem to no wot im doing

So if they are cousins whose children are they. Someone must have had two sons who married their respective spouses and named all their children the same. Doesn't make sense.

Stick with it. Something will fall into place. I'll have another look this evening my time.

i think these must b relations,the ones i av r john & ann lethard frm blackburn,they may be cousins

Baptism: 1 May 1831 St James, Altham, Lancashire, England
James Leathhead - Son of John Leathhead & Mary
Born: 13 Feb 1831
Abode: Clayton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Wm. Wood
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1832, Page 183, Entry 1460
Source: LDS Film 1278856

Baptism: 5 Feb 1832 St James, Altham, Lancashire, England
James Leithhead - Son of Janet Leithhead
Born: 15 Jan 1832
Abode: Harwood
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Wm. Wood
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1832, Page 190, Entry 1520
Source: LDS Film 1278856

Jennet's baptism - father John living Clayton same as marriage

Baptism: 7 Nov 1808 St James, Altham, Lancashire, England
Jannet Lethed - Daughter of John Lethed & Mary
Born: 1 Jan 1808
Abode: Clayton
Register: Baptisms 1807 - 1812, Page 3, Entry 18
Source: LDS Film 1278856

the 1837 marriage of jennet & James Atkinson - Jennet was a spinster

Marriage: 23 Oct 1837 St James, Altham, Lancashire, England
James Atkinson - (X), of Full Age Labourer Bachelor of Altham
Jannet Leithead - (X), Full Age Weaver Spinster of Clayton
Groom's Father: George Atkinson, Laborer
Bride's Father: John Leithead, late, Laborer
Witness: Joseph Readfearn; Nancy Cockshut, (X)
Married by Banns by: Wm Wood Curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1862, Page 7, Entry 13
Source: LDS Film 1278856

i do av a tree on paper,but i write that much down,ive got it all confused,u must think that ive been a rite pain.but thanks alot 4 all your help.

denise

If your great grandfather was born in 1859 and his father was John, and John married Ann in 1853 I'd say there is a pretty good chance it all fits.

Have you tried drawing a tree out on paper and putting all the people on it with their dates.

I'm a great believer in visual clues.

sorry , i dont av a name 4 her. i do av a john letherd who married a ann pickering in 1853 b/burn. cud that be it.

Whoo hoo. There is your James Letherd. 1861 census aged 2 years. Which means he was born in 1859. Father John mother Ann. Does that fit.

Was your great grandmother's name Ann.

1861 census. Here is John Jnr with his name spelled more correctly. he has married Ann and has a family. The other people are boarders living at his address. All adults are associated with the cotton industry.

Household Members:
Name Age
John Lethard 28
Ann Lethard 30
Peter Lethard 10
William H Lethard 6
James Lethard 2
Mary Warhurst 27
Elizabeth Pickering 24
William Pickering 3
Edward Pickering 1 Mo

im trying 2 trace bak as far as i can with the lettherd family tree.i av ;john lettherd born 1923 he was my dad. james lettherd 1895 my grandad.james lettherd 1859 my gr grandad all b/burn.now this is were im getting confused; iv a john letherd born abt 1833.. a james letherd abt 1832 his mother was jennet & father jas both born abt 1804. also a john letherd 1804,he was the one sent 2 australia.
hope u understand all of this.
denise.

You do realize that this could be a completely different family. It just comes up all the time. They are there in the 1851census as well. Thought perhaps Mary might have been John's sister. (I did think mother but that is really stupid).

In 1851 she is 48 which means her date of birth would have been 1803.

This is too close to be a coincidence. Note the Whalley district. But why "Mary" and who is the other Mary. When was Jennet born.

1841 Census

Name: John Leathard
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Whalley
Hundred: Blackburn (Higher Division)
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Great Harwood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Leathard 35
Mary Leathard 13
James Leathard 10
John Leathard 8


Hold on I'll look at the image.
Only other info is their occupations Mary Snr is a weaver, Mary Jnr looks like "carder" and James is "teaser". All textile manufacturing.

Next step. Look at census data 1841 and 1851 to see if we can find James Lettherd aged 9 and John Lettherd age 8, and then aged 19 and 18.