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Does this look a likely line?

You mentioned to me in a PM that there was a supposed Somerset link in case people are wondering why we are scooting off in this direction.

Sue

In 1861 your great grandfather James is working away from home. Don't worry...Woolavington and Huntspill are very close and nearly join.

Name Relationship to
Head of H'hold Condition Sex Age Profession/Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
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DURSTON, John Head Married M 50 Farmer Of 130 Acres 2 Labourers
Huntspill
Somerset VIEW
DURSTON, Jemima Wife Married F 44 Farmers Wife
Mark
Somerset VIEW
DURSTON, George Son Unmarried M 19 Grazier Of 25 Acers
Huntspill
Somerset VIEW
DURSTON, Charles Son Unmarried M 17 Farmers Son
Huntspill
Somerset VIEW
DURSTON, Joseph Son Unmarried M 16 Farmers Son
Huntspill
Somerset VIEW
WALL, James Servant Unmarried M 19 Farm Servant
Woolavington
Somerset VIEW
HAM, Ann Servant Unmarried F 20 Dairy Maid
South Brent
Somerset VIEW
SAVAGE, Jemima Servant Unmarried F 15 House Maid
Huntspill
Somerset VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
1626 Folio:
51 Page:
16

Registration District:
Bridgwater Sub District:
5 Huntspill EnumerationDistrict:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
All Saints

Civil Parish:
Huntspill Municipal Borough:
Address:
Murry Road, Huntspill County:
Somersetshire


Sue

One of these could be James' birth

Births Dec 1842
Wall James Bridgwater 10 329


Births Jun 1843
Wall James Bridgwater 10 335

Sue

It could be. My father, the youngest of 4 children, was born in 1916. Which would make his father 30 then. That could be correct.
Although, Linda has found a 26yr Charles E Wall in Cymmer on the 1901 Census. His eldest child was John C - although my father's brother was named Joe.
Again - could be!
This is the type of thing I've been up against for the last 2 years. But at least we seem to be getting nearer now.
I personally think that I've got to wait for the next census to be put into the public domain before I can double check anything.
Sue

1851 in Huntspill

This gets us back to your 2x great grandparents I think. Note that your James has an older brother Charles after whom your grandfather may have been named.

WALL John 46 Ag. Lab. Huntspill, Som.
Sarah 47 Wife Huntspill, Som.
Charles 13 Huntspill, Som.
Henry 11 Huntspill, Som.
James 9 Huntspill, Som.
William 4 Huntspill, Som.
Oliver 3 weeks Huntspill, Som. Page/Folio 12/453


In the same village there are another couple of Walls who may be an uncle and aunt or cousins

WALL Job 44 Ag. Lab. Huntspill, Som.
Sarah 50 Huntspill, Som.
MILLIER Jane Lodger Widow/er 78 Pauper Cossington

then
RICHARDSON George Jnr. 22 Farmer 30 Acres Huntspill, Som.
Maria 20 South Brent
WALL Phoebe Servant 24 House Servant
COX Thomas Servant 24 Ag.South Brent Lab.

and
WALL Mary Widow/er 70 Farmer 9 Acres Bridgewater, Som.
Henry 26 Huntspill, Som.
WALL Elizabeth Niece 18 House Servant Huntspill, Som.
CHAPPLE James Servant 17 Farm Servant High Ham

These others are probably related

Sue

The very next thing you should do is get this certificate. It will tell you Charles' father's name so you can then work out which Charles he is

Marriages Mar 1897
James Mary Swansea 11a 1124
Wall Charles Edward Swansea 11a 1124


Sue

That marriage date makes it look as if he's the one Linda found and not the one whose mother is Ann

Sue

Thanks Sue.
Loads of help from everyone - very grateful.

Sue

Looks as if you've cracked it. Between you - Linda and Susan - you've made an old girl very happy.
Certainly I was always told that my g'father's middle name was Edward, but had no proof of that.
I was also told he was born in Somerset, but had no proof of that either.
You seem to have merged all that info together and come up with an answer.
Thank you both very much indeed.
Sue

Cymer is near Neath!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Charles Edwards Wall
Name: Charles Edwards Wall
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Neath (1837-1970)
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 618 (click to see others on page)

Canton is on the western side of Cardiff

Cymmer Afan, Near Abercragen in the Rhonda.
Thanks Claire.

Sue

Well if I were you I'd get the certificate of Charles and Mary's marriage asap. You already know for certain that they are your grandparents.
Let us know who the certificate says is Charles' father.

He may very well turn out to be related to the Somerset ones I found. Perhaps two brothers moved to Wales at about the same time!

I was just doing a trawl of the 1881 and this one leapt out at me. I wonder if this Walls family should be Wall?
Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John WALLS Head M Male 44 Wetmon, Somerset, England Railway Ganger (Lab)
Louisa WALLS Wife M Female 42 Wells, Somerset, England
Charles WALLS Son Male 6 Abervale, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
John EDWARDS Lodger U Male 34 Mould, Flint, Wales Navvy
Charles STEVENSON Lodger U Male 29 Leek, Stafford, England Navvy
Henry HUGHES Lodger U Male 28 Kinnarley, Shropshire, England Navvy
George DICKENSON Lodger U Male 29 Sutton, York, England Navvy
George JONES Lodger U Male 29 West Felton, Shropshire, England Navvy


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Source Information:
Dwelling No 6 Railway Hut
Census Place Llanycil, Merioneth, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342331
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5543 / 18
Page Number 11

There's a Somerset link again!!! That father's birthplace looks a mistranscription for Wedmore and that is back in the same sort of area.

Sue

Thanks Sue - Will do.
Interesting that the Charles Wall on this one is classified as a 'scholar' though, - my g'father was illiterate as far as I know.
Sue

I thought I'd take a look at the 1851 for Wedmore before I go to bed.

I think it might be useful to take a note in case that Charles Walls is really yours.

The 1851 for Wedmore does not include a single Walls but is positively heaving with people called Wall.
If my hunch about John Walls from the 1881 proves to be the right man for Charles' father then I have saved a number of possible Johns of roughly the right age to be him.

Sue