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I don't post on the general boards, however i have added to them from time to time, i mainly use the records board, and have been grateful for the fantastic help i've recieved from the various members. BUT... some of the comments on george best were a bit out of order i feel. My brother in law was an alcoholic, and struggled with this illness, because that's exactly what it is.. AN ILLNESS..He was a smart, well educated self made buisness man, and the family had to watch the suffering that alcoholism bought upon him, he died a horrible, painful death two years ago at the age of 44, leaving behind a lovely teetotal wife, and a beautiful teenage daughter. One of the saddest things i've seen so far, his family still can't come to terms with his tragic death. Oh yes, and by the way, when the members that like to 'chill out' with a drink every so often, pour the next one, and think about what we've been through before you are so quick to judge people you don't even know. You only know about george because of his fame, but what about the ones you don't know? I won't apologise for the harshness this message may portray, as i feel others should be doing that.. don't you!

didn't read that thread Wendy but I am sorry for the pain and loss you and yours have suffered. xx Jen

As Sandra said, there but for the grace of God. Joy

Wendy That's why I put the comment I did on the thread in question. Debby

I agree with you Wendy. I know it's not a disease like cancer but it's a very sad thing to become an alchoholic and a very difficult thing to come out of. Some people have more addictive personalities than others and less strength to deal with or cope with things than others. I hope I wouldn't judge them for that.

thankyou for the replies. Jess alcoholism doesn't just affect the liver and other organs, it affects the brain destroying brain cells to such a degree that the person suffering, even when without a drink cannot function properly, my brother in law who for obvious reasons i will not name, couldn't even speak, walk, anything towards the end. His whole body became bloated to twice it's normal size. his eyes and skin were the most horrible colour of yellow. He did try to help himself, but it was too late. His words were ' I didn't know i had a problem 'till i had one'

Wendy You're scaring me now. Debby

You're right Wendy - there must be Thousands of familes torn apart by alcoholism.

sorry i'm scaring you Deb, but all true, some of the comments made angered me to such a degree, that i felt i had to say it the way it was (IS) No scare mongering intended, but i bet those who pour one again will have something to think about eh? xxx

hiya wendy . i am sorry to have upset you . if you wish i will deleate it.i too have 2 cousins ( in there 50s) and they have spent time and time again in trying to dry out, they are sisters and would end up fighting with one another, at the mo they are ok (then again they are very clever at hiding the tins and bottles) even other peoles bins etc so i have seen it first hand. and its so sad. wendy so sorry for your loss x

Wendy - i am sorry for your loss, truly i am . please dont take every topic on here to heart - i could blow up almost everyday, when people moan ''my child has done this that and the other '' I COULD respond with 'How dare you berrate your children''..YOU ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THEM ...but i dont Jess

No No sandra, do not delete it, it's about time people stopped judging and putting titles to different ailments people suffer with. xx

I have struggled to say this because I said I wouldnt post again! But I know the torment a family can go through with this illness. My younger brother was in a intensive care bed for a month 4 years ago because he is alchoholic and had to have 45 pints of blood to treat a massive bleed in his throat, As fast has the blood went in it came out. This came just a few months after my elder brother Alan had died and my Mum had a breast off through Cancer aged 75. After my alchoholic brother had two liver transplants the first one rejected! But he has hiccups we have to help out with YES he has the occasional drink but as a family we hold together and try to get him through it. Yes it is a disease and it is easy to get into especially in times of stress, God I love a drink myself and would never critisise anybody for it but your right it is a terrible illness. Davex

Dizzy.... Good on you girl!! Half the battle is won when we can see and deal with these problems, and all that weight loss! You should give yourself a gold star for that... you deserve it xx

Dave, hi, and i hope you are coping o.k. i was a browser of this board mostly until now, and i remember you having a bit of a rough time a short while back. Well, don't let that stop you posting on here, i'm sure i won't stay in the background again, especially when it's something so close to my heart. I would also like to say, i do know what you're going through, as the gene that causes breast cancer is carried through my side of the family, and at the moment, we're trying to get screening for the younger ones, as it's affected most of the family in their 40's. Stay strong Dave xx

hi dizzy, we are all equals, none of us are better than anyone else. Fat, thin, blah de blah i could go on forever, we are all individuals who are made from the same material, just in different shapes and forms. WE ARE human beings, and deserve to be treated as beings with feelings, emotions etc. and no one has the right to put us or our nearest and dearest down.... I'll say what i like about my loved ones, but i'm damned if i'll sit back and let others do it!

Hi I am fed up with people having a go at other people when they are down. George Best was the most incredible footballer I have ever seen and ever likely to, so much so that he had more talent in his little finger than Wayne Rooney will ever have. I am not a do-gooder or a religious nut (and before anyone jumps on me I have nothing against what anyone believes), but he needs help wether it is self inflicted or not. When you are ill it is irrelevant whether you are a celebrity or like me just the woman in the street. I have never sounded off on these boards before, and I am not enjoying it now but it had to be said.

Wendy, Thankyou for posting this thread (and Sandra too) I am in complete agreement with you, it is an illness, that is why I put on Sandra's thread, what I did, I am in full support of George Best, not just because he was a great footballer, but because he is a human being who is suffering. We dont always plan our lives, sometimes it is a case of being in the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time. Personally I wouldn't wish ill on anyone and I certainly wouldn't like to be in the position of deciding who qualifies for a kidney transplant. June xx

I didn't read the original thread because I guessed what would be said. People on here can be very judgemental, sadly. And yes, we do have experience of it in our family. Gwynne

I never answered the thread, but I started one some time ago when he made himself ill again. The only people I feel sorry for are the family of the donor liver. They gave their permission for someones life to be saved through their unselfish donation. Not once but many times has George best drunk his new liver into the gutter....the new liver which could have meant a decent life for someone with liver problems, who would have cherished the priceless gift of life given to them. I understand peoples anger, I feel angry. With his wealth, he could have booked himself into rehab as soon as he got cravings he could not ignore. That way he wouldn't have damaged his health further. Not every alcoholic has the money to do the same, but this man has. I have not walked in the shoes of an alcoholic, or a member of their family. I know its an illness, but when one has money to put a temporary halt to those drink cravings, there is no excuse when they don't. Elaine x