General Chat

Glad you brought this up Wendy. At the end of the day the man cant help being the way he is. He is an alcoholic and I bet he hates himself for it. What about smokers?..how many of them take up beds in hospital's with smoking related illnesses? They too are stopping others who need help. so maybe they shouldn't get help either. Marion

Bendy Wendy I can assure you if you were having a pop at the old girl she would still let yer know what she thought auf Deutsch :-))))))). And my main point on the other post was I still believe he was given a transplant and abused that donation and the doner and family. The only thing I blame for my mothers death is whisky and liver failure , but I do think that for my father to return to the village where his Dad was Policeman and for my mother to be abused in the way she was just shows that times hav'nt changed.

Personally, I don't think organ donations are selected for certain people because they are famous. priority is not selected on popularity. They go on priority of Where you are on the transplant list Blood and tissue matches The seriousness of health of the patient So if two patients are a match, the most needy is normally selected first...unless the most needy is to ill to be operated on, then it goes to the other. Elaine x

Whilst I would never wish any further harm to come to George Best (and I really do think he has the charm of the Irish and an infectious personality (when sober)) I have often wondered why the powers that be chose him to receive the donated liver in the first place? Was it because of who he is? I appreciate that he was at death's door for the want of the organ, but surely there were other suitable people awaiting liver transplants that were equally needy folk, and who didnt have a history of heavy drinking (and therefore would not abuse the donation in the future). It is all a great shame - a great shame that the man became an alcoholic (for whatever reasons) and a great shame that his second chance appears to have been wasted. I hope that George gets well, and to all those who have lost someone dear to them through this particular illness (and perhaps suffered at their hands during that person's lifetime) my commiserations. Jacqui

wendy i totally agree he knew exactly what he was doing by carrying on drinking. i for one dont feel at all sorry for the man. that liver could have gone to someone who would appreciate it and not continually abuse it. he certainly doesnt get my sympathy. what about the poor little kiddies and seriously ill people who are longing and wishing that a liver would become available for them because theirs has been destroyed by illness not DRINK!!! sorry if ive upset anyone but i couldnt give a stuff about that man susie

Ah well to late to let her know your thoughts now Bendy Wendy but when I visit the grave I will say it in German just so the old girl understands :-))))))))

With all due respect to the people who have posted on here questioning the fact that people like myself have made a comment about George Best without 'knowing the facts' . Did you know my mother died an Alcoholic ?? , did you know my mother took to the drink because she was German and people in my village called her a Kraut , Hitler lover and suchlike?? just because she married a soldier who fell in love with her after the war . No you did'nt so please do'nt go accusing people like myself of not 'knowing the facts' when you yourselves hav'nt got ' the full facts '.

andrea i know it's an awful disease and my step brother died an awful death.so i for one you would think that he should have it.i think what people are trying to say is that there are people including young children who have diseases not through what they have done.ie.drink,smoking ,drug abuse.and people including myself am not condoning transplants to people who have abused their bodies because that is what it is but when someone is given another chance of life and carries on drinking then do you think if he had the chance of another transplant should he be entitled to have that when two livers could have saved two people.i don't think he shouldxxxxxx))):

wendy my step brother died of alcoholism this year age thirty seven and i too feel it is an illness.what annoys me alittle about george best is that he had liver failure through his illness and he had a transplant of someone elses liver who died and gave part of their body to this man.but he kept on drinking and this is why he has become ill again.how would this persons family feel knowing that they had given their relatives organ,son,daughter,father etc knowing that the person this has been given to has started to drink again which made him ill in the first place.if it was one of my relatives i would be very very angry.the liver could have been given to someone that didn't drink but ended up ill through no fault of their own.sorry if that sounds harse but that is how it would feelxxxxx))):

hiya dave. sorry i forgot my manners x someone is looking for you on gen re clare

hiya wendy june and all. isaid to my hubby today do you feel for georgie best,'he said i do in a way .cos he never had no airs or graces, the trouble was he could walk in any pub in manchester. and someone would always buy him a drink. cos they felt honered'lets just pray he gets better x

Elaine, I am sure that the problem is that they don't actually recognise the danger signals, they always think they can handle it. Intelligent as George best is his illness will 'fog' his brain to the extent that he thinks -'one drink wont hurt', then it escalates. So regardless of the fact that he could have afforded to book himself in, he wont have recognised the need until too late. Poor fellow is very sick and it is very sad to see him come to this. We like a drink most evenings, then we notice sometimes it creeps up to two, maybe three. So then we make a concious effort to stop at one. alcoholics seem to have some sort of faulty gene which makes them unable to recognise when they start to drink too much. And this is normally started by stress in their lives. I really think that sometimes it is too much adulation when it is people in the public eye that starts it - they can't cope with it. ann Glos

I never answered the thread, but I started one some time ago when he made himself ill again. The only people I feel sorry for are the family of the donor liver. They gave their permission for someones life to be saved through their unselfish donation. Not once but many times has George best drunk his new liver into the gutter....the new liver which could have meant a decent life for someone with liver problems, who would have cherished the priceless gift of life given to them. I understand peoples anger, I feel angry. With his wealth, he could have booked himself into rehab as soon as he got cravings he could not ignore. That way he wouldn't have damaged his health further. Not every alcoholic has the money to do the same, but this man has. I have not walked in the shoes of an alcoholic, or a member of their family. I know its an illness, but when one has money to put a temporary halt to those drink cravings, there is no excuse when they don't. Elaine x

I didn't read the original thread because I guessed what would be said. People on here can be very judgemental, sadly. And yes, we do have experience of it in our family. Gwynne

Wendy, Thankyou for posting this thread (and Sandra too) I am in complete agreement with you, it is an illness, that is why I put on Sandra's thread, what I did, I am in full support of George Best, not just because he was a great footballer, but because he is a human being who is suffering. We dont always plan our lives, sometimes it is a case of being in the right or wrong place at the right or wrong time. Personally I wouldn't wish ill on anyone and I certainly wouldn't like to be in the position of deciding who qualifies for a kidney transplant. June xx

Hi I am fed up with people having a go at other people when they are down. George Best was the most incredible footballer I have ever seen and ever likely to, so much so that he had more talent in his little finger than Wayne Rooney will ever have. I am not a do-gooder or a religious nut (and before anyone jumps on me I have nothing against what anyone believes), but he needs help wether it is self inflicted or not. When you are ill it is irrelevant whether you are a celebrity or like me just the woman in the street. I have never sounded off on these boards before, and I am not enjoying it now but it had to be said.

hi dizzy, we are all equals, none of us are better than anyone else. Fat, thin, blah de blah i could go on forever, we are all individuals who are made from the same material, just in different shapes and forms. WE ARE human beings, and deserve to be treated as beings with feelings, emotions etc. and no one has the right to put us or our nearest and dearest down.... I'll say what i like about my loved ones, but i'm damned if i'll sit back and let others do it!

Dave, hi, and i hope you are coping o.k. i was a browser of this board mostly until now, and i remember you having a bit of a rough time a short while back. Well, don't let that stop you posting on here, i'm sure i won't stay in the background again, especially when it's something so close to my heart. I would also like to say, i do know what you're going through, as the gene that causes breast cancer is carried through my side of the family, and at the moment, we're trying to get screening for the younger ones, as it's affected most of the family in their 40's. Stay strong Dave xx

Dizzy.... Good on you girl!! Half the battle is won when we can see and deal with these problems, and all that weight loss! You should give yourself a gold star for that... you deserve it xx

I have struggled to say this because I said I wouldnt post again! But I know the torment a family can go through with this illness. My younger brother was in a intensive care bed for a month 4 years ago because he is alchoholic and had to have 45 pints of blood to treat a massive bleed in his throat, As fast has the blood went in it came out. This came just a few months after my elder brother Alan had died and my Mum had a breast off through Cancer aged 75. After my alchoholic brother had two liver transplants the first one rejected! But he has hiccups we have to help out with YES he has the occasional drink but as a family we hold together and try to get him through it. Yes it is a disease and it is easy to get into especially in times of stress, God I love a drink myself and would never critisise anybody for it but your right it is a terrible illness. Davex