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Thank you Muffy - that's exactly what I meant.

Sue x

"what would you have said leave him to carry on ordering killing."

Rita, how dare you?

SueMaid said:

"I'm happy to see justice done and I have no sympathy with the man but I can't in all honesty feel joy at the death of a man."
and
"No one is arguing that the man should have been allowed to get away with his shameful crimes ..."

How dare you pretend that she said anything at all that would justify your asking whether she would have said he should be left to carry on ordering killing?

Absolutely shocking.

"I may well be wrong so I apologise in advance for my ignorance; but in Osama Bin Ladens faith is it not the case of a life for a life? In which case his own justice has been served?"

Joanne -- was Osama bin Laden Jewish??


Whatever ... why on earth would you suggst that Obama's "justice" is relevant to what was done by the US, or to what anyone might think of what the US did? If it was, I think you might find you'd have to excuse the attack on the Twin Towers.

We judge our own actions by our standards.

By our standards, no one is to be killed unless there is no reasonable alternative, in order to prevent some worse thing.

That may well have been the case for the killing of Obama; we don't have enough facts to say (and we may never have).


Taking private pleasure in someone's death is understandable, and something most of us will do at one time or another.

A public celebration of someone's death is an extraordinary thing, and something not to be undertaken lightly.

Our fundamental human value is the belief in the simple humanity of every human being. If we agree to treat anyone as if they did not share that humanity, we have embarked on a very slippery slope.

I dont care what you all say I just HOPE HE IS DEAD!!!

Muffy -- I've been posting on a US politics board about this.

I'd already used "distasteful" to describe a related phenomenon -- people making wisecracks about Muslim afterlife beliefs -- so I went with "unseemly" to describe the gleeful crowds on the streets of US cities. ;)

In practical terms, yes indeed, these displays are simply unwise.

But also in ethical terms, they are distasteful. No one has any obligation to mourn the death of anyone at all. But celebrating it is a step farther than not mourning.

At the risk of getting shot at...I think back to when the IRA were causing mayhem in NI and UK, ( my Irish roots are pretty strong so I was always 'aware' of both sides) ,

Was the ( more or less) demise of the IRA , down to the deaths by self-starvation in prison of young men whose names are still remembered , perhaps as 'martyrs' like Bin Laden may be? or because of UK soldiers bravely trying to keep some kind of peace? or by internment? etc

Nope, imo, though all of the above were relevant, it was the mindset of the Irish people who said enough is enough. We are repelled by the slaughter of innocents ( eg Omagh bombing) We want peace and security and a different life style for ALL of us, who then contributed to finding local and political solutions.

What I'm trying to say ( in a very poor fashion) is that you can't defeat terrorism by taking out one or many of them, only by changing their breeding ground so they are no longer welcome there either, so that their 'cause' is seen to be counter productive to the well being of their potential supporters.

well I know what I mean lol.

That's all I was trying to say, Janey. I find the celebrations distasteful.

Sue

I feel nothing wrt Bin Laden's death but I too find the celebrations distasteful. His death will not make a difference, someone else will step up and take his place and carry on with what he has/had planned.

There are still men of his Ilk out there and they will no doubt be planning some sort of retaliation even as we type on here.So its best we do not relax our security meybe even enhance it.But as was said, if everyone stayed at home and never travelled,They,ve won.Take care all.**M**.

No sue it wasnt i didnt see you put a question for me to answer, sorry if you took it that way i added a general thought provocking question which i am entittled to do like you dosnt mean im wrong or write or you for that matter !

Strange that his body was buried at sea. Why the undue haste?

Dermot, it is Islamic tradition and practice to bury a body within 24 hours I believe.....at sea to prevent the grave becoming any sort of rallying point, or shrine i would assume

Or perhaps it wasn't BL at all - but I'm very cynical which I'm allowed to be at the extremity of old age!

Well all I would say that everyone was very happy when Hitler died. As for IRA in any disguise Rose, they never go away , lie low for a while and then return with a vengence. History books prove it and since so-called peace came - there have still been bombs and killings - news that never makes it to the National News.

Apparently according to DNA the body disposed of was his.

They already tried to give the body back to Afghanistan but they rejected it.. I suppose as Rose pointed out, it stops his grave becoming a shrine. If they took the body to the US then that would enforce the need for retaliation against them.

I did say "the ( more or less) demise of the IRA" Chris, there will always be those who cannot / will not accept the peace there.

It was also said no country would take him.

There was a interview of the parents of the man who died in 7/11

whilst they have not felt joy in any persons demise they said this time they felt justice had been done and they could now rest, this is just one family that have suffered for the last 10yrs, im glad they can find peace now this disgusting rat is dead.