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Better he has the children he and his wife want and will love and care for, than have people bear children and then subject or allow them to be subjected to abuse and torture.

Who is to say that one of this man/woman's children won't grow up to do wonderful things in the world, and without this happening, we wouldn't have them around to do that.

Lizx

He/She....
is laughing all the way to the Bank.....
there are thousands of couples holding back having kids because of money......he/she will just sell his/her story every time!!!
are we really bothered? or are we just fasinated by the freak element of it?...
lets face it....born a woman........wants to be a man...BUT...not enough to get rid of her ovaries...or womb......
EDIT..
and I agree with Rose......
far too much other stuff to concern us......like kids being born to whoever....and dying for the want of food....medicine, water...and LOVE

I agree with Brian.

I think Rose has the best point about this. And the end of her post is the most truthful bit I've read on here.

LOL Rose, I too have seen such men. One in particular, we saw one that looked about to give birth, we felt bad muttering about him after, when there was a thing in the paper about how said man had found out he had a tumour the size of a football. I can't help but wonder how you would let it get to that stage.

oh I do so hate to bring a little levity to a serious debate but with reference to
"If you were to be alongside side "him" at around 7-8 months gone, in tesco's or wherever, would you not think it weird? "

I have been to Tesco's this week ...and seen any number of men who could by their girth have been 7/8 months pregnant...ditto a lot of the women (like myself ) who carry a 'bump' though not pregnant... I wouldn't have noticed if a man actually was carrying a baby!

As long as the child is loved, and is happy...doesn't matter...

btw did you see the tv ad for water-aid... a child dies every 19 seconds because of the lack of clean water to drink.... I find that infinitely more worrying with regard to the state of 'humanity' .... than what 'bits' a man has.....

xx

I think there seems to be an element of attention seeking with this particular individual. When I heard reports of the first pregnancy, I thought how can he have been declared legally male when there were still female reproductive organs. I thought in order to get that 'certificate' they had to get rid of the organs from the original gender.

I have nothing against transgender people having children. And I agree that it is natural as a human being to want to have a child, whether male or female, though one would think it is a female trait to want to carry that child themself. I imagine they saw it as their way of having biological children but if that was the case, should have had the children before undergoing gender reassignment. I agree that this hurts those people who feel trapped by their body as most female to male transexuals would be horrified by doing something like that and would rather have the female organs gone. Indeed many are traumatised by having periods.

Who really cares? As long as the parents love and nurture the kids I can't see that it really matters.

He's not yet physically a man so I think it's a big hooey over nothing and I'm not keen on the way it's being played out in the media but then the parents of the Walton sextuplets did the same and the girls all seem to have grown up well balanced.

Kids are indeed cruel but it's often learnt behaviour - perhaps if adults tell children that it's uneccessarily unkind and judgemental to call people disgusting and freaks because they live different lifestyles to us they might learn differently.

It's not so very long ago that mixed race relationships and children received the same sort of reactions.

Perhaps not quite the same as this debate.I worked not so long ago with a man that had a sex change.All organs changed as well.He had 3 children before his sex change.This bloke suffered hell having all his operations.He changed his name as well and we called her Billie and her mans name was Bill.I have never worked with such a nice person as Billie.Always up for a laugh always treated us with sweets always there if we had a problem.Then his son aged 18 started working with us.We asked him how he felt about his dad becoming a woman.He said he did not mind as he was still the biggest part of his life and knew she was always going to be there for him his brother and his sister.I think his children were also very remarkable and had,had a good upbringing. Annie

it is getting to the stage that nothing surprises me now

what is 'normal'?

how far do we as human beings go in defying nature?


i have to say that i am not comfortable with this

he/she made a choice when she had surgery, but then decided not to lose her reproductive organs

so the question is, how commited was she to becoming male, if at the point of surgery could not let her reproductive organs go?

i think this is in danger of actually harming all those people who genuially feel they are 'trapped' inside the wrong body.

i agree with bob here, it appears he/she wanted best of both worlds

which beggers the question, how physcologocally harmed was she/he by being in the wrong body?

and how did she get the gender reassinment in the first place?

Dont Know about that bit.......B i K,
who ever it is, It cant be his wife because She IS female//wonder if it can be classed as adultery?
the birth certificates would make interesting reading

Mother......Mr Thomas Beattie........
Bob

Gillie I am NOT saying that this person should not be able to bear children........

My point is that "He" wants to appear as a man,if children are the aim, then surely it should be as a woman.

honestly, now,
If you were to be alongside side "him" at around 7-8 months gone, in tesco's or wherever, would you not think it weird?

Bob

You sure it does,nt come from "Middlesex".**M**.:o)>.

Bob ,are you saying you would put him with the bearded lady ,the dwarf etc in a freak show? Tut Tut Tut.

Elaine .........but this person wants to be both!!

surely to bear children is a female trait?

Bob

(In my opinion:
if the means for any one to "Change" sex were not there, then the individual would have to stay as they were born!
50 years ago this wouldnt have been possible.

this type of surgery/procedure is Definitely NOT normal.

the person is a freak, and as such should be in a circus.)


Bob, I don't think that because someone doesn't feel that they belong in the same sex body that they were born with does not make them a 'freak' I think thats a very unkind thing to say about another human being. The guy can't help what his hormones tell him, just because he IS able to have surgery to correct his need to be male doesn't warrant him being anything other than a human being with feelings.
Imagine how he'd have to live his life should surgery not be available.
It's tragic these people have to make that change, I can't imagine what torment they must feel.

No wonder this world is full of people that have low opinions of others with remarks to the guy being a freak from you.

Gillie.

" It's not a male or female desire to want to have a child, it's a human desire."



As long as the children are loved, nothing else matters.

Seems fairly simple to me:

If you have female genetalia and can have a baby you are female.

If you have male genetalia and can produce sperm you are male.

If you have neither then you are a eunoch.

A piece of paper, regardless of who it is signed by, can't change that.

Bob, with respect, seahorses breed the same way most animals do except the father carries the young then expels them from his pouch when they are ready.
To call hermaphrodites 'not human' is unkind and I hope any members of Genes who have been born hermaphrodite are not too offended by your comments.

In my opinion:
if the means for any one to "Change" sex were not there, then the individual would have to stay as they were born!
50 years ago this wouldnt have been possible.

this type of surgery/procedure is Definitely NOT normal.

the person is a freak, and as such should be in a circus.

Gillie if he wants to appear in the male form, so be it,
but to be almost a hermophradite is only akin to worms and snails.....and seahorses?
NOT human beings

Rose
if "he" wants to bear children then he should, to all intents and purposes appear as a woman!


I feel that as "he" naturally still has the Womans "Bits" then that is what he is

.Female

you can't transplant the necessary parts into a male body and still expect to call it A woman, can you??