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how can ""he"" be Considered MALE?

The "pregnant man" who gave birth to a daughter earlier this year is expecting a second child, according to US reports.
Thomas Beatie, a married man who used to be a woman, said he did not go back on the male hormone testosterone after the birth of Susan on June 29 so he could have another baby.
"I feel good," he told ABC News' Barbara Walters. "I had my checkups ... And everything is right on track."
Mr Beatie, who lives with his wife Nancy in Bend, Oregon, said the baby is due on June 12.



Mr Beatie, who was pictured topless with a swollen belly during his first pregnancy, has previously posed for a gay magazine as a woman.
He posed as a muscular woman before his sex change with his bikini-clad girlfriend, Nancy, in 2000. A second picture showed the couple in a wedding-style photograph taken in Honolulu in 2002.
In April, while he was expecting baby Susan, Mr Beatie told US daytime TV queen Oprah Winfrey: "I see pregnancy as a process and it doesn't define who I am. It's not a male or female desire to want to have a child, it's a human desire. And I'm a person and I have the right to have my own biological child."
Mr Beatie was born female and called Tracy Lagondino before undergoing gender reassignment surgery. He is now legally male and married to a woman.
He was able to get pregnant because he kept his female organs when he switched genders and decided to carry a baby for his wife because she had a hysterectomy several years ago.
The couple have been together for 10 years and married for five.

what will the children be subject to when they are older.........

His Dad is also his Mum!!?
Bob

If the child is brought up in a happy home with loving and attentive parents who are we to judge.

I 'm also thinking of the children........you know how wicked kids at school can be......

Bob

I expect there is " fame " of sorts from all this as well.........what a way to earn some money and get your face in the magazines.

I don't think we should judge, who are we to say what someone else should do?

Why do some think it's not 'normal' what ever normal is?

Bob, is the problem the fact that he calls himself male? or the fact he has given birth?

Gillie XX

Had to think about this one....

if the baby had been carried by a 'surrogate' mother ... but still been the biological offspring of the mother or father would anyone mind?

is this not pretty much the same thing really? it will still have a mother and a father to all intents and purposes, ...it will just have been carried by a 'surrogate womb' that happened to belong to its father... so to speak.... ?

edited to add....being biologically able to have a baby doesn't define a a woman as 'female' any more than not being biologically able to have a baby defines a man as 'male'.... ?

It's pretty obvious he still has a female mindset, no man would go through birth pains TWICE!!!!

Sue x

In my opinion:
if the means for any one to "Change" sex were not there, then the individual would have to stay as they were born!
50 years ago this wouldnt have been possible.

this type of surgery/procedure is Definitely NOT normal.

the person is a freak, and as such should be in a circus.

Gillie if he wants to appear in the male form, so be it,
but to be almost a hermophradite is only akin to worms and snails.....and seahorses?
NOT human beings

Rose
if "he" wants to bear children then he should, to all intents and purposes appear as a woman!


I feel that as "he" naturally still has the Womans "Bits" then that is what he is

.Female

you can't transplant the necessary parts into a male body and still expect to call it A woman, can you??

Bob, with respect, seahorses breed the same way most animals do except the father carries the young then expels them from his pouch when they are ready.
To call hermaphrodites 'not human' is unkind and I hope any members of Genes who have been born hermaphrodite are not too offended by your comments.

Seems fairly simple to me:

If you have female genetalia and can have a baby you are female.

If you have male genetalia and can produce sperm you are male.

If you have neither then you are a eunoch.

A piece of paper, regardless of who it is signed by, can't change that.

" It's not a male or female desire to want to have a child, it's a human desire."



As long as the children are loved, nothing else matters.

(In my opinion:
if the means for any one to "Change" sex were not there, then the individual would have to stay as they were born!
50 years ago this wouldnt have been possible.

this type of surgery/procedure is Definitely NOT normal.

the person is a freak, and as such should be in a circus.)


Bob, I don't think that because someone doesn't feel that they belong in the same sex body that they were born with does not make them a 'freak' I think thats a very unkind thing to say about another human being. The guy can't help what his hormones tell him, just because he IS able to have surgery to correct his need to be male doesn't warrant him being anything other than a human being with feelings.
Imagine how he'd have to live his life should surgery not be available.
It's tragic these people have to make that change, I can't imagine what torment they must feel.

No wonder this world is full of people that have low opinions of others with remarks to the guy being a freak from you.

Gillie.

Elaine .........but this person wants to be both!!

surely to bear children is a female trait?

Bob

Bob ,are you saying you would put him with the bearded lady ,the dwarf etc in a freak show? Tut Tut Tut.

You sure it does,nt come from "Middlesex".**M**.:o)>.

Gillie I am NOT saying that this person should not be able to bear children........

My point is that "He" wants to appear as a man,if children are the aim, then surely it should be as a woman.

honestly, now,
If you were to be alongside side "him" at around 7-8 months gone, in tesco's or wherever, would you not think it weird?

Bob

Dont Know about that bit.......B i K,
who ever it is, It cant be his wife because She IS female//wonder if it can be classed as adultery?
the birth certificates would make interesting reading

Mother......Mr Thomas Beattie........
Bob

it is getting to the stage that nothing surprises me now

what is 'normal'?

how far do we as human beings go in defying nature?


i have to say that i am not comfortable with this

he/she made a choice when she had surgery, but then decided not to lose her reproductive organs

so the question is, how commited was she to becoming male, if at the point of surgery could not let her reproductive organs go?

i think this is in danger of actually harming all those people who genuially feel they are 'trapped' inside the wrong body.

i agree with bob here, it appears he/she wanted best of both worlds

which beggers the question, how physcologocally harmed was she/he by being in the wrong body?

and how did she get the gender reassinment in the first place?