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Marriages Jun 1934 (>99%)
Overing Kate Pope Cranbrook 2a 2525
Pope John G Overing Cranbrook 2a 2525
1939
Pope Household (2 People)
Burnt House , Cranbrook R.D., Kent, England
Kate Pope 01 Oct 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 221 2
John G Pope 30 Mar 1874 Male Farmer Married 221 1
Marriages Sep 1933 (>99%)
Overing Daisy M Pierce Tenterden 2a 3179
Pierce Edwin M Overing Tenterden 2a 3179
1939
Pierce Household (2 People)
Chilmington Cottage , West Ashford R.D., Kent, England
Daisy M Pierce 04 Sep 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 167 2
Edwin M Pierce 27 Dec 1901 Male Farm Carter Heavy Worker Married 167 1
Daisy's DOB differs from that on the military sheet, but as John wasn't her father, he probably didn't know the correct date
First name(s) DAISY M
Last name PIERCE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1910
Age 46
Death quarter 2
Death year 1956
District Ashford
County Kent
Volume 5B
Page 29
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First name(s) CHADWIN JOHN
Last name OVERING
Gender Male
Birth day 14
Birth month 11
Birth year 1912
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1988
District Harrow
Register number 388
County Middlesex
Volume 12
Page 1856
Overing Lettice M 1922 1925 1925 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Maidstone, Kent, England
Source Gro Death Abroad Indices (1966 To 1994)
Archive reference DABR
Volume S (SHIPPING - EXCLUDES ROYAL NAVY)
War -
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials
First name(s) Harold
Sex Male
Last name Overing
Death year 1975
Birth year 1917
Type Consular/Overseas
Place Shipping
Page 47
Age AGED 58
Birth date ? ? 1917
1939
Scott Household (8 People)
Farnborough Park Flat Rectory Road , Farnborough U.D., Hampshire, England
William J Overing 04 Jul 1914 Male Hotel 2nd Chef Single 296 6
Michael J Scott 12 Mar 1916 Male Hotel Scullery Man Single 296 1
Violet M Phillips 29 Aug 1918 Female Chambermaid Married 296 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
George H T Pearce 09 Jan 1920 Male Hotel Porter Single 296 4
Wilfrid R Beale 27 Jul 1906 Male Hotel Chef Married 296 5
Marie (F) Gadsden 26 Jan 1913 Female Waitress Single 296 7
Leo J Phillips 17 Jul 1912 Male Chauffeur Gardener Married 296 8
First name(s) DORIS P
Last name OVERING
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1939
DORIS P OVERING married James H Mills
First name(s) DORIS PATIENCE
Last name MILLS
Gender Female
Birth day 4
Birth month 1
Birth year 1916
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 2001
District Ashford with Shepway
District number 5581B
Register number AS9B
Entry number 162
Date of registration mm/yy 0901
County Kent
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Hi
Many many thanks for this information. It is a big break through and for other family members. It may now need to look in different avenues.
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Re Kate's "husband" John Overing -
looks like he was married already, and therefore couldn't marry Kate.
UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920
Name: John Overing
Enlistment Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1870 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Place: Sheffield Yorkshire <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Enlistment Year: 1892
Regiment: Royal Artillery
Regimental Number: 92085
Attestation Paper: Yes
The Pension record posted earlier by ErikaH , listing Kate and children, says he had previously been a gunner, GA, No 92085.
He seems to have changed his job several times. In 1914 his occupation was Attendant at Picture Palace. In 1911 he was an insurance agent. In 1901 he was a fish & fruit salesman.
John Overing
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Overing
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Spartinents [ apartments ]
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: 42 Newmarket St Grimsby
Marital status: Married <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation: Insurance Agent
Registration district: Grimsby
Registration District Number: 422
Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 19958
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Pickering 72 [ mistranscribed - a different household ]
Sarah Ann Pickering 62 [ ditto ]
John Overing 40
John Overing
in the 1901 England Census
Name: John Overing
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Caroline E Overing
Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Laceby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Laceby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Fish & fruit salesman
Registration district: Grimsby
Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 67
Neighbors:
Piece: 3097
Folio: 44
Page Number: 14
Household schedule number: 102
Household Members:
Name Age
John Overing 30
Caroline E Overing 32
Lilly E Overing 6
His wife and daughter in 1911:
Caroline Overing
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Caroline Overing
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Housekeeper
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Driffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: 376 Victoria Street
Marital status: Married
Registration district: Grimsby
Registration District Number: 422
Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 19954
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert Gibson 43
Caroline Overing 42
Lilly Overing 16
Caroline later married Herbert:
Caroline E Overing
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Caroline E Overing
Registration Date: Jan-Feb-Mar 1923
Registration district: Sculcoates
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Spouse: Herbert Gibson
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 285
She was finally free to remarry then because John had died a few weeks or months earlier:
John Overing
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: John Overing
Death Age: 51
Birth Date: abt 1871
Registration Date: Dec 1922
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 432
Her first marriage to John Overing:
Caroline Elizabeth Holmes
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Caroline Elizabeth Holmes
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Scarborough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 478
Records on Page:
Name
Caroline Elizabeth Holmes
John Overing
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To find out whose children the others were, you will probably have to invest in copy birth certs
Or, if you live within reach of Kent Records Office, pay a visit and see if there are baptism records for them
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Name: Leslie Herbert W Sandford
Death Age: 86
Birth Date: 6 Dec 1903
Registration Date: Dec 1989
Registration district: Ashford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 145
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Wow
One could not believe the complexity of ones past family history.
This certainly is a forward move, but it does leave the question of the other grandchildren
It is very much appreciated.
Many thanks
John :-)
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As Erika says, you'll need to buy the birth certs to find out their parentage.
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