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Margaret

Margaret Report 25 Jan 2008 21:10

with guidance and/or help. Let me explain:

I have a Bryan Fields who married Ethel Hayward on 13 June 1914 St. James', Scarborough. I have all Bryans background - several generations from Scarborough. All I have on Ethel is that her Father was called William Hayward and that she had siblings Peggy, May, Maud, Edith and Ida. Unfortunately I do not know when any of these children were born, neither do I have their mothers name. However, working on the basis that Ethel was married in 1914 in Scarborough, I am trying to find William Hayward, wife ?? and at least some of these children on 1901 census, probably in Scarborough, in order to progress with this Hayward line. As I said in the heading.... this looks like an impossible task. Any suggestions as to how I can find them with this scant information?

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 25 Jan 2008 21:19

Margaret I assume that you have Ethel's marriage cert, does it give her age?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 25 Jan 2008 21:20

Does the marriage certificate give an occupation for William?

Are the witnesses family members?

Kath. x

Margaret

Margaret Report 25 Jan 2008 21:21

Claire - No unfortunately I don't. I only know this accurate date as it was supplied by a descendent of Brian's via his second wife - Ethel died in 1918 leaving a 2 yr old daughter.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 25 Jan 2008 21:26

You need to buy the marriage certificate to help you. This is the reference:-

Ethel Hayward, spouse Fields
June qtr. 1914, Scarborough, 9d, 779

Kath. x

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 25 Jan 2008 21:26

I can't see any other way around this either. Sorry

Margaret

Margaret Report 25 Jan 2008 21:28

It possibly would be useful Kathleen, but would it tell me any more than I already know ie father's christian name? I don't think the mothers name is on there is it ?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Jan 2008 21:31

is this her death reg if so she would have been born c1888
Deaths Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Fields Ethel 30 Coventry 6d 623

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 25 Jan 2008 21:31

No, it won't tell you a lot more, but William's occupation might give a clue to finding them in the census, and the witnesses might be other family members.

This looks like Ethel's death, so if the age is right her birth should be about 1888:-

Ethel Fields, age 30,
June qtr. 1918, Coventry, 6d, 623

Kath. x

Margaret

Margaret Report 25 Jan 2008 21:33

Shirley - Kathleen - yes that is her death. Bryan and Ethel moved to Coventry, obviously sometime after marriage. The fact that she married in Scarborough was the reason I was concentrating on Scarborough for the rest of her family.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 25 Jan 2008 21:39

I've found this Maud Hayward living in Scarborough in 1901 but born in Coventry. Could she be one of Ethel's sisters? The transcription says she is a governess but on the image she is actually a housemaid.:-

Name: Maud Hayward
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Governess
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Scarborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
Town: Scarborough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: Esplanade (Esplanade Villa)

Occupation: Housemaid

Condition as to marriage: single

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Scarborough
Sub-registration district: Scarborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members: Name Age

Sarah Calvert 33
Ann E Cottas 60
Maud Hayward 22
Minnie H Walker 22
Cecile S Wood 35
John Wood 66
John S Wood 2
Muriel S Wood 16

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4532; Folio: 83; Page: 14.

Perhaps Ethel was also born in Coventry and that is why she went back there after her marriage?
Kath. x

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Jan 2008 21:42

I wonder as they moved to Coventry maybe she came from there is this a poss birth ?

Births Dec 1887 (>99%)
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Hayward Ethel Coventry 6d 498

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 25 Jan 2008 21:46

I've just found the same birth as Shirley. You could order the certificate and stipulate that you only want the certificate if the father's name is William.

Kath. x

Andrew

Andrew Report 25 Jan 2008 21:47

There is an Ethel Hayward born Coventry Dec 1887.
So could this be the familt. Some names fit.


1891 England Census
about Esthel Hayward
Name: Esthel Hayward
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Coventry
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur William Hayward 7
Esthel Hayward 3
Lizzie Hayward 9
Lowera May Hayward 5
Martha Hayward 33
Maude Hayward 12




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2454; Folio 125; Page 6; GSU roll: 6097564


Andy

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Jan 2008 21:47

poss 1901

Name: Ethel Hayward
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Coventry
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur W Hayward 17
Ethel Hayward 13
Louisa W Hayward 15
Alfred H Rooms 5
Alice Rooms 8
Henry W Rooms 44
Martha Rooms 43



Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2911; Folio: 228; Page: 13.

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 25 Jan 2008 21:50

Maud in 1881, same family as Andy shows 1891!

1881 England Census
about Maud Ellen Hayward
Name: Maud Ellen Hayward
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Wm.
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 4 Court 1 Adelaide St
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Martha Hayward 24
Maud Ellen Hayward 2
Wm. Hayward 29


KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 25 Jan 2008 21:51

The same family in 1881 and Martha's husband IS called William:-

Name: Martha Hayward
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Wm.
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 4 Court 1 Adelaide St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Martha Hayward 24
Maud Ellen Hayward 2
Wm. Hayward 29

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 25 Jan 2008 21:52

I'd place a bet on the fact that we've found the right family!!!

Kath. x

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 25 Jan 2008 21:55

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about William Hayward
Name: William Hayward
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 37
District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Page: 392 (click to see others on page)

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 25 Jan 2008 22:00

This could be Ethel's stepfather's death:-

Name: Henry W Rooms
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Year of Registration: 1916
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 59
District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Page: 846

Kath. x