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i am trying to find out anything on fred sargent. he married my grandads sister called rose light she was born in march 1920 in horsham sussex. would love to be able to find a marriage record for them. have been told they had a daughter called sylvia who was born some time after 1938 but i cant find anything on her i seem to be hitting a brick wall. i found a birth record for a rose light born in march qtr 1921 horsham 2b 519 but it has the mums name as ripley and it should be douch? as i am pressuming her mum was lily annie maria douch who married henry light in 1916. any help would be great lorraine

hi suzi
yes my grandads birth cert says his mums name is annie m douch. but the marriage cert to my grandads dad says lily annie maria douch. i have found out that lily annie m also married a john hunt in 1900 and married henry light in 1916who is my grandads dad my grandad albert light was born in 1913. have traced a child henry light born 1900 mary born 1911 charity b1920 but having trouble with tom light who was born in 1910 i can only find a tom light born in 1915 and rose light i have found a birth record for but it says mums name ripley? so unless henry light also married more than once this cant be right i have tryed to find another marriage for henry light but cant find one. i know rose married fred and they lived in hastings but cant find any more info
lorraine

I have found a few things.

marriage
Mary Light & Henry Ripley June 1912 in Horsham
2b 701

&

Annie Douch & ? Light Sept 1916 in Horsham
2b 643

i don't understand why his first name is not given and to find it you must put in Douch first. I am going to try a few more sites.

hi everyone
it seems that lily annie m douch who married john hunt in 1900 then went to stay with her mum and sister in 1901 and also found her with henry in 1901 plus son henry. but she then had 3 more children with henry but did not marry him until 1916. the reference to another child in 1914 i also found but this means she must have left henry and returned to john and then may be henry found a new wife the ripley surname for rose light but i cant find any more on this and its a shame records stop at 1901 as i cant trace if this is true or me making the best of the info. i could not find any death entres for john henry or lily annie?
thanks lorraine

Marriages Dec 1909

ASHDOWN Percy Edward W Ticehurst 2b 231
DOUCH Annie Maria Ticehurst 2b 231
STAUNTON Thurza Millicent Ticehurst 2b 231
WOODCOCK Alfred Ticehurst 2b 231

hi
the info from the birth and marriage cert seems to indicate that lily annie maria douch is the same person. she used lily annie on some birth records and annie maria on others but the marriage says lilly annie maria i know from family that tom mary charity and albert and i was told rose had the same parents henry and annie but we did not know about the child henry. my grandad lost his memory along time ago and his siblings all moved away and had there own familys hence lost touch. my mum and siblings do not know alot about there dads parents hence the family tree. no one told me it would lead to so much confussion
lorraine

in the 1901 census
she is living in hastings with her mum eliza a widow and her sister edith she is listed as a photographers assistant.
also found her in 1901 living with henry in crawley road horsham with son henry aged 11 months.
on both have same dates of birth and place

on alberts birth record it says mums maiden name douch and on henrys toms marys and charitys. it also says dads name henry light on all and mums name is annie marie on henrys and toms and alberts and it says lily annie m on marys and charitys but all signed by her with a x and henry mary charity and albert are all registered in horsham but tom was in marylebone ? and the only birth records i can find for rose light say 1921 march as i was told but have mums maiden name ripley it is horsham as i was told but its a mystory.

lorraine

Here this one is very confussing will try and get my head around it!

Kirsty

Am still trying the more I read this the more confussing it gets!!!!

How far have you got Suzanne?

Kirsty

Is Henry Light 1900 anything to do with Annie?

Why would she name him Light if this is the year she married John Hunt ~ seems a bit strange!

Kirsty

If in 1901 she was living with her mother and also living with Henry, do you think John died soon after they married so she went to live with her mother and then moved in with henry? the cencus is not all done at the same time. But why was henry 1900 named Light?

Are you still there Suzanne?

Kirsty

oh yes sooooo you are!!

Lorraine,

Can you start again working backwards with your grandfather and his siblings details, then their parents.

I think it would be easier to start again,

Kirsty

Let me know or if she or you want to do the same i will help
Kirsty
(TRY)
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Kathryn not been on this one yet anything i can do?

Kirsty

hi everyone
sorry had to get kids etc yesterday, and have a son who has mental health problems so cant do tree with him around, all at school again now
right what info i have got so far
my grandads name is albert light born 1913 horsham on his birth cert it says mums maiden name douch and name annie m and dads name henry light
henry light was born in 1875 in horsham
annie m douch was born in hastings in 1878 but when i got her birth cert it says name as lily annie maria douch. her mums name is eliza douch no fathers name on the cert
with this info i looked at 1901 census records
found 2
1 she was living in hastings as a single person who was a photographers assistant with her mum eliza douch and sister edith douch. says on census she was born in hastings and lists right age and year of birth.
2 living in star road roffey horsham with henry light and son henry aged 11 months plus visitors from kent again right birth place and age for her.

found marriage cert for them henry and annie horsham 1916.
on this it says her mums name eliza and her sisters names as witnesses and 2 other names that dont mean anything
i know my grandad had siblings so i found the records for these
mary light b1911 horsham has henry and annie on her birth cert and mums maiden name douch
tom light b1915 in marylebone mums name again douch and its annie and henry
charity light b1920 horsham mums name again is douch and its henry and annie
i know she died aged 15/17 but cant find a record of this?
rose light now i no she is supposed to be henry and annies but can only find a birth record for a rose light of horsham in 1921 whos mums name is ripley? hence the listing for help as i know she married a man called fred sargent but cant find any record of this or any death records for her and fred.
when doing surches also found the marriage record for lily annie maria douch from hastings who married a john hunt in 1900
now since her name on her marriage cert to henry is also lily annie maria douch from hastings with same date of birth i am assuming this is the same person!
it then dawned on me that she must have married john left him moved to her mums and then lived with henry and had child. but she then had my grandad and mary and tom before she married henry. then i found a record for her which says john hunt and lilian annie douch son named edwin l hunt mums maiden name douch in 1912 so is this why may be tom light was born in marylebone did she leave henry when pregnant with tom to go back to john hunt had tom and son edwin and then who knows? could this be then that henry light also found a new partner and had rose light born horsham 1921 with mums name ripley?
as far as my grandads children -my mum and siblings are concerned they did not know of a child henry light and assumed henry and annie were married when they had albert mary tom charity and mary. so this is all new to us all
as we were confused i tryed to find another marriage for henry light to a ripley but have not found one
i have sent for henrys birth cert but still waiting for this so decided to try and find more on rose and fred to try and make sence of it but cant find any birth marriage or death records for fred and cant find any other birth records for a mary light horsham 1921 or her death record.
so any extra help would be great
sorry to confuse you all so much
lorraine

Hi Lorraine I am back!

Will try and see what I can do

Kirsty

I think you are mixing up two different people.

1881 Cencus
Father: David Douch 1840 Westham Sussex
coastgaurd
Mother: Eliza 1843 Farnham Essex
Children
Florence E 1868 Pett Sussex
David C E 1870 Pett "
George E 1874 Icklesham Sussex
Lily A M 1879 Hasting Castle Sussex
Albert W P 1880 " " "

1891 Cencus
Father: David
mother: Elizabeth 1858 Portsmouth
Florence
David
George
Lily St Leonards, Sussex
Albert " " "
Ellen M H 1883 " " "
Edith G 1889 Pevensey Sussex
Ethel Ella E 1890 Lydd Kent

Possibly David married again to Elizabeth? or age wrong (will have a look).

But I think this is the confusing bit.
1881 Cencus
Father William Douch 54yrs
Mother Eliza 49yrs
Edith A 14yrs
Harry A 11yrs
Louisa E 9yrs
Annie M 5yrs

hi kirsty
any help would be good
i think i have found a death record for edwin l hunt he died aged 6 in islington in 1918
death rec dec 1918 lslington 1b 661 mums name douch
still cant find any records for rose and fred
or for another marriage for henry to match up a mums maiden name of ripley for rose light
have ordered henry lights cert but still waiting for it to arrive.
its certainly given me brain ache
no wonder my nans sisters said that i should leave grandads side alone and leave the past in the past
they are all very old and have never spoken about the family and living away from each other we never saw alot of them i have tryed to talk to the ones whos memory is still there but they dont want to help and cant understand why i should want to do a family tree any way as i should be consentrating on my boys . its so frustrating i think anything they do know will go to the grave with them. its a shame census record up to 1950 are not available!
many thanks again
lorraine

Look at this!!
marriage
David Douch
Eliza Parker
Eastbourne Mar 1867
2b82

death
Eliza Douch age 43
Eastbourne Sep 1884
2b45

marriage
David Douch
Elizabeth Allen
Hastings Sep 1885
2b59