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I found the WRONG family in 1871 and everything went wrong from there .... so have *deleted* the WRONG info , and replaced with relevant stuff ! Still need help with 1871 search please xx

Aug 1877 William Allman marries Mary A Wilsham (Could be Wilshaw) 1880: Birth Cert states Mary Allman nee Wilshaw as Mum, 1881 census states Mary A Allman is b 1859 SoT, Staffs Need to find Mary A Wilshaw in 1861 and 1871 please !! *Help*** !!!!!!!! Dancer x

hiya my little pickled one, still reading and trying to make sense , give me a mo, sue.

Hi Sue, xxx I'm going for a walk up the garden path !! . (I've been going up the garden path all day !! lol) Need some fresh air. Back in 10 mins Pickled Pixie ! x

My geography is rubbish and you may already have looked at this and dismissed it but could these be them in 1861?: Joseph Bailey 1850 Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire, England Servant Bagnall Staffordshire James Wilshaw 1824 Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire, England Head Bagnall Staffordshire Mary A Wilshaw 1833 Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire, England Wife Bagnall Staffordshire Mary A Wilshaw 1859 Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bagnall Staffordshire Andrea

Hi Andrea, No, I've not seen that entry ! I spent all afternoon on Ancestry .... searching hundreds of Wilshaw/m entries and just could not find my family. Then I screamed for help, giving the info that I had found for 1871 (WHICH WAS WRONG !!!) ... and Margaret/Paul/Jonathon ALL came up with the same Willshaw entry ... another one I hadn't come up against ! I wonder, ... if your find is my fam, ? Cheers Andrea, your helping me out loads here ! (I Think !! LOL) WHAT is James Wilshaw's occupation please !!!!!!!!! and is this on Ancestry Andrea ? Cheers Derbyshire Dancer !! OK Sue, speak later babe !

sorry , ancestry just gone down for maintenance, will have a peep later, sue.

Andrea's find for 1861: I can't dismiss it ... as the 1871 Mary A Wilshaw b 1859 Warslow with mum Mary A and sister Sarah ... may NOT be mine .... after all ! I'll check the VRI ... see if the Allman/Wilshaw marriage is listed. Should have done this earlier shouldn't I. Pickled Dancer x

ALLMAN, William Age: 30 Marriage Wife: Mary WILSHAW Age: 19 Marriage Date: 20 Aug 1877 Recorded in: Hanley, Staffordshire, England Collection: St John Husband's Father: William ALLMAN **Wife's Father: James WILSHAW** Source: FHL Film 1470997 Dates: 1872 - 1902 Andrea ...you may have found the correct family in 1861 !!! THANK YOU Dancer x

Hi 'Dancer', Andrea's James WILSHAW is a boatman. Paul x

Cheers Paul ! I NEED to send for Marriage cert .... see what Fathers occ is on that ! ... see if I can tie the two togather. I'm currently trawling for all James Wilshaw's on 1871 & 1881 ... but at moment can't find James with daughter Mary b 1859 on 1871. Oh well ...they aren't going anywhere ! Need to shut PC down and close my eye's ..... I haven't concentrated on images for so long before !! and I'm suffering ! I'll be back tomorrow, to pick up the pieces ! Thanks Elaine :-)

Elaine Sorry, just got back on - Paul has answered that question for you - I've just been having a look for them myself - do you know for definite that there was another child called Sarah? If so do you know when and where she was born (if it wasn't the 1855 above). I'm going to bed now but I'll be in from work after 2.15 tomorrow if you need anymore help. Best Wishes Andrea

Just thought I would have a quick look and here I still am! Have decided that the family I found in 1861 were just a teaser as they have disappeared by 1871 and aren't on 81 or 91 either. How annoying is it when that happens. Don't know what to suggest next - try again tomorrow? Andrea

Morning Andrea and everyone ! Thanks for having a look again last night. I was looking for James with daughter Mary A last night on 1871 ... but didn't find them either ! (Maybe he had died but found no entry that matches) Right, Mary A Wilshaw (from 1881) was b Stoke on Trent (NOT Warslow) 1859. The VRI gives James as her Father. I doubt there is a Sarah ! .. that came from finding wrong fam in 1871 ! I'm going to HAVE to send for marriage cert ... to clarify James's occupation, tie the cert with your find in 1861., but can't afford straight away ... so will keep trawling 1871 for Mary A Wilshaw b 1859 SoT. There are two poss Birth certs for Mary A: June 1859 SoT (covers Bagnall ) Sept 1858 Leek (covers Bagnal) Need to check the difference between the two Bagnal's. Any help appreciated ! Dancer x

*Helppppp* please ... my eye's have gone ! Has anyone got the facilities to search address in 1871 ? The 'Wilshaw' family in 1861 are living at Hanley Moor Bagnall James b 1824 Mary A b 1833 Mary A b 1859 Could they still be there in 1871 please ? Dancer x

Hi Dance, I have found Hanley Moor on the 1871 census, just to let you know will have a look. Keep your fingers crossed. Vera

Hi, 1871 census RG10/2861 FOLIO 64 PAGE 1 This is all Hanley Moor. Sorry no Wilshaws. RG10/2861 Folio 69 page 11 under William Wilshaw Salthouse Well ...temporary adsent... not very helpful. Regards Vera

Thankyou Vera, I really appreciate your time and effort. Sorry for the delay getting back ... I am still 'trawling' ancestry for them :-( Thanks Vera Dancer x

Hi Dancer, Marriage Registration Sept quarter 1877 - Mary Wilshaw, Stoke on Trent ref 6B 246 Hope this helps Ian

Thanks Ian, I had found the entry on the GRO indexes ... and last night found the following on the NRI: ALLMAN, William Age: 30 Marriage Wife: Mary WILSHAW Age: 19 Marriage Date: 20 Aug 1877 Recorded in: Hanley, Staffordshire, England Collection: St John Husband's Father: William ALLMAN **Wife's Father: James WILSHAW** Source: FHL Film 1470997 Dates: 1872 - 1902 which confirms James Wilshaw as Mary's father. Thanks for your help. Dancer x