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After weeks of searching and asking you good people for look-ups i decided to order the marraige cert for my gg grandparents.Today it turns up and i cant find them on the census.I am interested in the Griffin side of the marraige. I have a Francis William Griffin born 1886 ....at time of marraige in 1915 was living in Leamington..he was an insurance agent. His father is William Henry Griffin and he was a grocer. Can anybody find them at all please? Sue

Found this on 1891, William is a green grocer, no sign of Francis though! Address 36, Regent street! Image reads Griffin. View Record Griffen, Fanny abt 1859 Lamington, Warwickshire, England Wife Leamington Warwickshire View Record Griffen, Mary Frances abt 1890 Lamington, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leamington Warwickshire >>>View Record Griffen, William abt 1860 Loatham, Warwickshire, England Head Leamington Warwickshire View Record Drafer, Hans Esther abt 1878 Cubbington, Warwickshire, England Servant Leamington Warwickshire RG12/2471 Registration district: Warwick Sub registration district: Leamington ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 78 Page: 22 GSU Number: 6097581 will go and see if I can locate Francis!

im sure i have the age right....correct me if im wrong please, At time of marraige in 1915 he was 29... Am i right in saying the birth year was 1886? Sue

same family in 1901, but no Francis, will go and see if i can find a better match! Head is a green grocer! Same address as 1891, but no 34! View Record Charles E Griffin abt 1895 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record Fanny Griffin abt 1860 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Wife Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record Mary F Griffin abt 1890 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record Walter G Griffin abt 1898 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record William Griffin abt 1860 Southam, Warwickshire, England Head Leamington Priors Warwickshire

thanks Liberty, Have just looked for his birth on 1837 and cant find it....how strange Sue

I wander if this could be Francis using his middle name 'William'?? He is a Grocers errand boy! Address 37 Gordon street! 1901: >>>>William Griffin abt 1886 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Boarder Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record Annie Matthews abt 1893 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record Ellen Matthews abt 1896 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record Emily L Matthews abt 1867 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Wife Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record Ethel Matthews abt 1895 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record Frank Matthews abt 1900 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record Roland Matthews abt 1899 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record Victor Matthews abt 1899 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Priors Warwickshire View Record William Matthews abt 1869 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Head Leamington Priors Warwickshire RG13/2932 Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Leamington ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 147 Page: 12 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 95

Could be a possability.... I just wish i could find his birth and then i could order cert to be sure. Thanks for looking for me Liberty much appreciated. The mystery goes on....... Thanks sue

Susan, how about this one in 1891 – father is a wheelwright though. Griffin, Frances M abt 1890 Southam, Warwickshire, England Daughter Southam Warwickshire >>>>View Record Griffin, Frank abt 1885 Southam, Warwickshire, England Son Southam Warwickshire View Record Griffin, George W abt 1879 Southam, Warwickshire, England Son Southam Warwickshire View Record Griffin, Mary A abt 1854 Flecknoe, Warwickshire, England Wife Southam Warwickshire View Record Griffin, Samuel F abt 1881 Southam, Warwickshire, England Son Southam Warwickshire View Record Griffin, William abt 1851 Southam, Warwickshire, England Head Southam Warwickshire Angela

Another poss,i cant be certain for sure though. What is a Wheelwright? Sue

From old occupations site: Wheelwright Made or repaired wheels; wheeled carriages, etc. And: Wright: Skilled workman, especially in constructing items. Used together with the trade i.e. wheelwright

I see.... so nothing to do with being a grocer..lol Sue

lol Sue fraid not! Ive had a look for a birth ref for Francis in Warwickshire area but found nothing obvious, perhaps he was born elsewhere and moved to Leamington later on! Hope you manage to find more clues! Lib :))

Susan One of my ancestors was a carriage painter & then appeared in 1891 as a general shopkeeper - but as you say, you can't be sure you've got the right family with this info. Angela

The annoying thing is knowing he was born in 1886 and not finding the birth,searched either side of 1886 and ran out of credits. Have come to a grinding halt now. It is not my day... I also ordered a marraige cert for another of my ancestors which arrived today ,wanted to find out the fathers name and guess what......the fathers name has a line through it......thought it might tell me his age when he got married so i could work out for definate when he was born....and guess what....age is down as fullage,whatever that means. So am having not a very good day so far regarding my rellies Sue

Hi Susan, I don't surpose the witnesses names are any use??

On the Griffin marraige cert ,the witness names are of his father-in-law and somebody by the last name of Padbury. On the other cert the witness is the brides sister . Sue

Sue Ive just found this in 1881: Although Francis year of birth is in correct, he is a Insurance clerk and his father is a insurance agent! maybe im clutching at straws now lol Address, Charlton Villa! View Record Alfred J. Griffin abt 1870 Bristol Son Charlton Villa, Bristol St James & St Paul Out, Gloucestershire, England >>>View Record Francis Wm. Griffin abt 1863 Bristol Son Charlton Villa, Bristol St James & St Paul Out, Gloucestershire, England View Record Kate M. Griffin abt 1862 Bristol Daughter Charlton Villa, Bristol St James & St Paul Out, Gloucestershire, England View Record Maria Griffin abt 1826 Queen Charlton, Somerset, England Wife Charlton Villa, Bristol St James & St Paul Out, Gloucestershire, England >>>View Record William Griffin abt 1823 Chipperfield, Hertfordshire, England Head Charlton Villa, Bristol St James & St Paul Out, Gloucestershire, England View Record Mary J. Humphries abt 1861 Hemington, Somerset, England Servant Charlton Villa, Bristol St James & St Paul Out, Gloucestershire, England View Record Kate Wilson abt 1866 Uxbridge, Middlesex, England Niece Charlton Villa, Bristol St James & St Paul Out, Gloucestershire, England Source information: RG11/2484 Registration district: Barton Regis Sub-registration district: Ashley ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 83 Page: 27 Can rule him out, found him in 1891 with his wife and family, told you I was clutching at straws.......ahh well!

Births Sep 1884 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Griffin Francis William Gloucester 6a 273 the only Francis William on freebmd Births Jun 1886 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Griffin Francis Vivian Brentford 3a 92 there is this one any good to you June

If it had been the right birth date i would be saying yes thats him ,but the date of birth we are looking for Francis is 1886,...... Sorry Sue

June, I couldnt really say which one is is,the first one is the closest of the 2 i might have to take a gamble and order that birth cert. thanks Sue