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Subsequent to your msg last night remoans etc I thought I'd ask your advice on this as I don't think you'll be offended by my inexperience. Challenge 1 - how to find marriage cert for a William Wright (millions of those about I know) bn 1878 Dover to a Gertrude Lodder bn 1888 Wellingborough then moved to B'ham area. They could have married anywhere but I presume? it would be in her parish of Aston, Birmingham. I have searched the igi and Ancestry to find Gertrude with no rellies on the igi and no marriage on Anc. I have searched for William Wright on the Ancestry BMD to find at least 20 up to 1910 for either Dover and B'ham areas and nothing thereafter. I know they married some date between 1901 (as census states william living with parents still at this point) and 1916 which is when my Grandfather Ralph was born in Dover. Challenge 2 - How to find my mothers half brother who may not even know of our existence. John Parker bn1927 around the south London area was known as 'Nobby' and lied to get into the Navy. He served on the Ark Royal when she sank in 1939ish off gibralter. Post 1939 you have to be next of kin (which I'm not) to get the naval records. I have searched the Commonwealth war graves, put adverts on HMS Ark Royals homepage, adverts on Navy News. He could be married, dead and anywhere in the country - with or without a family. I'm beginning to realise how nice it is to have an unusual surname now - if I know my luck though, I'll find a Smith too!? Unlike some I just want to know the right questions/places to ask/go to get the info I need. signed a green newbie xx

Blimey babe !!! I'll just re do it ! Challenge 1 - how to find marriage cert for a William Wright (millions of those about I know) bn 1878 Dover to a Gertrude Lodder bn 1888 Wellingborough then moved to B'ham area. They could have married anywhere but I presume? it would be in her parish of Aston, Birmingham. I have searched the igi and Ancestry to find Gertrude with no rellies on the igi and no marriage on Anc. I have searched for William Wright on the Ancestry BMD to find at least 20 up to 1910 for either Dover and B'ham areas and nothing thereafter. I know they married some date between 1901 (as census states william living with parents still at this point) and 1916 which is when my Grandfather Ralph was born in Dover. Challenge 2 - How to find my mothers half brother who may not even know of our existence. John Parker bn1927 around the south London area was known as 'Nobby' and lied to get into the Navy. He served on the Ark Royal when she sank in 1939ish off gibralter. Post 1939 you have to be next of kin (which I'm not) to get the naval records. I have searched the Commonwealth war graves, put adverts on HMS Ark Royals homepage, adverts on Navy News. He could be married, dead and anywhere in the country - with or without a family. I'm beginning to realise how nice it is to have an unusual surname now - if I know my luck though, I'll find a Smith too!? Unlike some I just want to know the right questions/places to ask/go to get the info I need. signed a green newbie xx ------------------------------------- Having read through the first challenge: Try FreeBMD, putting BOTH name's in. Use the last know date whilst single as the start date as the search and just search a 10 year period to start with. FreeBMD only goes upto about 1911. http://freebmd.rootsweb(.)com/cgi/search.pl ..remove () After 1911 upto 1920 you could use FamilyRelatives - but thats a Payable site .... I have credit with that site, so if they didn't marry before 1911 I'll check upto 1920 for you. I'll read your 2nd challenge ! I have to admit, I can't really advice you on this one, as I don't know how to ! The only thing I can suggest is that you ask for a lookup on the 2003/4 or 5 Electoral Register and HOPE that something jumps out for you. I really think you should throw Challenge 2 over to all members !!! I don't mind admitting defeat with this particular question ! The first one won't beat us ... if they definately married, one of us will find them ! Elaine ;-)

not sure what you mean by ''Gertrude with no rellies'' she is on 1891 census Benjamin Lodder abt 1865 Loddington, Northamptonshire, England Head Horninglow Staffordshire Gertrude Lodder abt 1888 Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Horninglow Staffordshire Grace Lodder abt 1869 Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Wife Horninglow Staffordshire Herbert E Lodder abt 1886 Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Son Horninglow Staffordshire John T Lodder abt 1890 Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Son Horninglow Staffordshire -------------------------------------------------- and on 1901 Benjamin Lodder abt 1864 Loddington, Northamptonshire, England Head Aston Warwickshire Gertrude Lodder abt 1888 Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Grace Lodder abt 1870 Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Wife Aston Warwickshire Herbert Lodder abt 1886 Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire Howard Lodder abt 1894 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire Lillian Lodder abt 1897 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire -------------------------------------------------------- gertrudes father with HIS father in 1881, at the old dun cow in W'boro - a publican John L abt 1858 Glendon, Northamptonshire, England Son 73 Gold Street Dun Cow Public House, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Sarah E. L abt 1855 Glendon, Northamptonshire, England Daughter 73 Gold Street Dun Cow Public House, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Thomas L abt 1823 Stour Proust, Dorset, England Head 73 Gold Street Dun Cow Public House, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Benjamin Loddel abt 1864 Loddington, Northamptonshire, England Son 73 Gold Street Dun Cow Public House, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England

Ranked Search Results - 1901 England Census View Record Benjamin Lodder abt 1864 Loddington, Northamptonshire, England Head Aston Warwickshire ** View Record Gertrude Lodder abt 1888 Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire View Record Grace Lodder abt 1870 Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Wife Aston Warwickshire View Record Herbert Lodder abt 1886 Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire View Record Howard Lodder abt 1894 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire View Record Lillian Lodder abt 1897 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire any good Snap Jess June x

Found this Marriage right area but wrong Wright??? Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1913 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beckett Oliver Hill Aston 6d 860 Hill Florence M Beckett Aston 6d 860 .............>Lodder Gertrude L Wright Aston 6d 860 .............>Wright John R C Lodder Aston 6d 860

Sorry should have said found Gertrude on the igi with no rellies - I have all the siblings/parents from the census' off of Ancestry - thanksx

F.C. Michigan Formerly Shropshire! How did you do that!!!!!!!!! Gertrude's middle name is Louisa and it looks as though this is the right marriage. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE Thanks - so what's the secret in finding it or would you have to kill me after telling me?! xxxxxxx

Di Dianna, Do you think it is the right marriage then?? Only Husband is John not William!!! No secret, I went with Gertrude's name on FreeBMD as I thought her the least common.

I was going to say, there is a marriage for a Gertrude M Lodder on FreeBMD ......... had you seen it yet ? or did you want me to look on FamilyRelatives ? See, I did say that you would get loads and loads of help didn't I !! Elaine ;-)

Sorry misread - doh! Hubby was William according to my Dad, but could this of been a second name that he used as his first? I too looked up BMD using Gertrudes name as less common but came up blank? I will send for this certificate though Thanks. Elaine - could you look up on the other site - and you were right - You're all LOVELY Have put challenge 2 up for general consumption. As an aside - do GR members have an annual physical get together?

Hi Dianna, Do you not have a copy of your grandfather Ralphs birth certificate? His fathers full name would be on that. If Ralph's father was John and not William any census info you have on him may be wrong.

Birth for Ralph Wright. He was born in Aston not Dover. Wright, Ralph. Dec 1916, Registration District, Aston. Vol, 6d. Page , 729. Mothers maiden name, Lodder. My dad isn't too good with names, places and dates either..........my dad gave me g grandmothers sister as Pattie Titley..........name only turned out to be MARTHA JONES!!!

I'm stunned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have no family papers at this time - Mum and Dad live on a narrowboat and need access to their house (currently rented) to get what little family papers we have. It seems my Grandmother - Ralphs wife (Emily Evelyn Violet Rogers bn 17 June 1918 Dover) burned alot of the papers. Does the Ralph you've found have a brother Philip listed? he died aged 19? apparently in Dover but again have found nothing in the BMD as post 1910.

Doesnt matter if you dont have the certificates now, you can buy copies for £7 online.

Dianna, Was Philip older or younger than Ralph? Do you know roughly when he was born? I'll have a look for him.

Sorry - I have no other info other than Philip (could be Phillip) with a possible middle name of Cranfield bn unknown at possibly Dover. But I'm beginning to doubt everything Dad's told me. Sorry to be so vague

Hi Dianna, seen your other message, and again your getting loads of help x I CAN look on the FamilyRelatives site if you doubt FC's find ... she did find a Gertrude L Lodder .... .... and with you not KNOWING what the hubby;'s name was for sure, then maybe FC's marriage is THE one ?? My Mother married a William (Bill as we knew him) .......... but when I double checked he was actually Richard..... so yes, it is possible for folks to be known by a name other than there real one .... If you want me to check FamilyRelatives I will do ...... it wouldn't hurt ! Elaine ;-)

Don't worry Elaine - this has to be the one! Thanksx

Only 1 match between Sept 1911 upto and including Dec 1920: Marriage Lodder Gertrude L (Wright) Aston. 6d 860 March 1913 Match: Wright John R C

Brths 1911 - 1920 MMN Lodder: 1 Wright Philip L C (Lodder) Aston.6d 989 Birth Dec 1913 2 Wright Ralph (Lodder) Aston.6d 729 Birth Dec 1916 Did you say Phillip had died aged 19 ????