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Thanks for all of your rummages you've given me far more than I asked for. BIG hugs all round xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Dianna, Death: June qtr 1933 Philip L C Wright Thanet 2a 1246 so yes, the two births in Aston ARE brothers and yes, the marriage for Gertrude and John IS the correct one..... FC found them for you xx Elaine ;-)

Looks like Philip was older, trust me to go with younger first. Philip L.C. Wright, Dec 1913, Aston, 6d, 989, mothers maiden name Lodder.

Apparently age 19? I can't believe you found him too?XXXXXXXXXXX

Brths 1911 - 1920 MMN Lodder: 1 Wright Philip L C (Lodder) Aston.6d 989 Birth Dec 1913 2 Wright Ralph (Lodder) Aston.6d 729 Birth Dec 1916 Did you say Phillip had died aged 19 ????

Only 1 match between Sept 1911 upto and including Dec 1920: Marriage Lodder Gertrude L (Wright) Aston. 6d 860 March 1913 Match: Wright John R C

Don't worry Elaine - this has to be the one! Thanksx

Hi Dianna, seen your other message, and again your getting loads of help x I CAN look on the FamilyRelatives site if you doubt FC's find ... she did find a Gertrude L Lodder .... .... and with you not KNOWING what the hubby;'s name was for sure, then maybe FC's marriage is THE one ?? My Mother married a William (Bill as we knew him) .......... but when I double checked he was actually Richard..... so yes, it is possible for folks to be known by a name other than there real one .... If you want me to check FamilyRelatives I will do ...... it wouldn't hurt ! Elaine ;-)

Sorry - I have no other info other than Philip (could be Phillip) with a possible middle name of Cranfield bn unknown at possibly Dover. But I'm beginning to doubt everything Dad's told me. Sorry to be so vague

Dianna, Was Philip older or younger than Ralph? Do you know roughly when he was born? I'll have a look for him.

Doesnt matter if you dont have the certificates now, you can buy copies for £7 online.

I'm stunned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have no family papers at this time - Mum and Dad live on a narrowboat and need access to their house (currently rented) to get what little family papers we have. It seems my Grandmother - Ralphs wife (Emily Evelyn Violet Rogers bn 17 June 1918 Dover) burned alot of the papers. Does the Ralph you've found have a brother Philip listed? he died aged 19? apparently in Dover but again have found nothing in the BMD as post 1910.

Birth for Ralph Wright. He was born in Aston not Dover. Wright, Ralph. Dec 1916, Registration District, Aston. Vol, 6d. Page , 729. Mothers maiden name, Lodder. My dad isn't too good with names, places and dates either..........my dad gave me g grandmothers sister as Pattie Titley..........name only turned out to be MARTHA JONES!!!

Hi Dianna, Do you not have a copy of your grandfather Ralphs birth certificate? His fathers full name would be on that. If Ralph's father was John and not William any census info you have on him may be wrong.

Sorry misread - doh! Hubby was William according to my Dad, but could this of been a second name that he used as his first? I too looked up BMD using Gertrudes name as less common but came up blank? I will send for this certificate though Thanks. Elaine - could you look up on the other site - and you were right - You're all LOVELY Have put challenge 2 up for general consumption. As an aside - do GR members have an annual physical get together?

I was going to say, there is a marriage for a Gertrude M Lodder on FreeBMD ......... had you seen it yet ? or did you want me to look on FamilyRelatives ? See, I did say that you would get loads and loads of help didn't I !! Elaine ;-)

Di Dianna, Do you think it is the right marriage then?? Only Husband is John not William!!! No secret, I went with Gertrude's name on FreeBMD as I thought her the least common.

F.C. Michigan Formerly Shropshire! How did you do that!!!!!!!!! Gertrude's middle name is Louisa and it looks as though this is the right marriage. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE Thanks - so what's the secret in finding it or would you have to kill me after telling me?! xxxxxxx

Sorry should have said found Gertrude on the igi with no rellies - I have all the siblings/parents from the census' off of Ancestry - thanksx

Found this Marriage right area but wrong Wright??? Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1913 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beckett Oliver Hill Aston 6d 860 Hill Florence M Beckett Aston 6d 860 .............>Lodder Gertrude L Wright Aston 6d 860 .............>Wright John R C Lodder Aston 6d 860