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Please could someone have a look for the Hyde family in 1861. see below. Jenny

Please could someone else have a look for this family? I cannot find them anywhere in 1861! Head: Alfred F Hyde born c 1822 Shepperton, Middlesex Wife: Mary Hyde Children: Emma Hyde born c 1852 Walton on Thames, Surrey Harriet Hyde born c 1853 Walton on Thames, Surrey Charles Hyde born c 1855 Esher, Surrey Sarah Jane Hyde born c 1857 Esher Surrey Alfred John Hyde born c 1859 Esher Surrey Many thanks, Jenny

1861 George B Groom abt 1802 Middlesex, England Head Esher Surrey Sarah Groom abt 1805 Shepperton, Middlesex, England Wife >>Charles Hyde abt 1856 Esher, Surrey, England Grandson Esher Surrey George Hyde abt 1851 Walton on Thames, Surrey, England Grandson Esher Surrey

Hi found this? one of the Sons? ADDRESS:Esher.Surrey. George B Groom abt 1802 Middlesex, England Head OCC:Labourer & Joiner. Sarah Groom abt 1805 Shepperton, Middlesex, England Wife OCC:Nurse >>>Charles Hyde abt 1856 Esher, Surrey, England Grandson George Hyde abt 1851 Walton on Thames, Surrey, England Grandson Source information: RG9/457 Registration district: Kingston Sub-registration district: Esher ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 11 Page: 14 Household schedule number: 59 GSU Number: 542641

Thanks Christine and Lesley not come across any Grooms but you could have foundat least one of them, much obliged! Jenny

Sorry But cnat find any of the other on 1861 have searched for just first name and Birth place and nothing Lesley

Thanks for trying Lesley, glad it's not just me!! Jenny

Sorry - no show for me either, but they must be somewhere as Alfred F appears later! Found this, which you probably have already: Name: Sarah Hyde Birth Date: abt 1856 Year of Registration: 1883 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death: 27 District: Chertsey County: Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 31

Christine, glad you are not studying! Did not have that, many thanks, Jenny

1871 has Alfred joining his brother (s) with grandparents George B Groom abt 1802 Little Britain, London, England Head Walton on Thames Surrey Sarah Groom abt 1805 Shepperton, Middlesex, England Wife >> Alfred Jno Hyde abt 1860 Esher, Surrey, England Grandson >>Charles Hyde abt 1856 Esher, Surrey, England Grandson George Hyde abt 1851 Walton on Thames, Surrey, England Grandson

Alfred senior married Mary Plumridge, how would the 'Grooms' be grandparents of their children ????? Now I am really confused as that cerainly looks like the Hyde boys.Jenny

The fact that Sarah Groom is born in Shepperton, as is Alfred Hyde (snr) is interesting. Could his mother have remarried george Groom. Going to look at 1851.

1851 for the Grooms Benjamin Barkin abt 1833 Chertsey, Surrey, England Nephew Walton on Thames Surrey Alfred H Groom abt 1828 Shepperton, Middlesex, England Son (carpenter) Geoge Groom abt 1802 Smithfield, Middlesex, England Head (carpenter) Sarah Groom abt 1810 Shepperton, Middlesex, England Wife

1841 - the plot thickens!! George Groom abt 1806 Middlesex, England Shepperton Middlesex Sarah Groom abt 1806 Middlesex, England Shepperton Middlesex Alfred Hyde abt 1831 Middlesex, England Shepperton Middlesex

Really can't work this one out, don't leave me now Christine!!!!! Jenny

Fllippin' computer keeps crashing - ever since I downloaded latest security update from Windows!! Books now thrown out window, while trying to sort this lot out!! 1841 census shows George Groom as carpenter, Sarah a dressmaker Have you managed to find Alfred's marriage? The cert would have his father's name.

IGI has this for Alfred's marriage, nothing that I can see for his birth as a Hyde (or Groom) ALFRED FRONDE HYDE Male Marriages: Spouse: MARY PLUMBRIDGE Marriage: 28 SEP 1851 Walton On Thames, Surrey, England Ancestry: Name: Alfred Oriude Hyde Year of Registration: 1851 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Chertsey County: Surrey Volume: 4 Page: 70 (think this should be 90 - faded on image) On image on ancestry for Mary Plumbridge, page is 90

Only 2nd marriage but..............just to maybe add to the confusuin: Alfred married again later as in 1871 census. He has an older daughter living with him who could not possibly be wife number 2's. Daughter is Emma Hyde, have her birth cert...father Alfred Froud Hyde. Alfred's 2nd marraige shows his father as Charles Froud. On IGI is a marriage Alfred Fronde Hyde to Mary Plumbridge 1851.

Bingo! George Benjamin Groom 1840 Oct-Nov-Dec Staines Middlesex Sarah Hyde 1840 Oct-Nov-Dec Staines Middlesex Name: George Benjamin Groom Year of Registration: 1840 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Staines County: Middlesex Volume: 3 Page: 271 Sarah married George Groom - he's Alfred's stepfather. Hence the Hyde boys staying with grandparents in 1861 etc.

You're a star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks so much, now get those books back from the garden, you should be studying!!!! jenny