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I have a copy of my grand mothers (Gertrude) marriage certificate in 1903, that says my ggrandfather was Francis Fletcher, his occupation is listed as a cord warmer. I have found a family on familysearch.org for the 1881 census listing Francis aged 36 as a shoemaker and Gertrude as 1 year old, this Gertrude would be the right age. Would somebody please mind looking in the 1891 and 1901 census for me, to see what Francis`s occupations were then. Gertrude may not be with them in 1901 as she was listed as a domestic servant on marriage cert. Also, what was a cord warmer? Sylvia

Sylvia I think the word is cordwainer which would be a shoemaker. Marilyn

cord wainer Shoemaker. Originally, a leather worker using high quality Cordovan leather from Spain for such things as harness, gloves and riding boots. By the 19c it had reduced to a shoemaker - as distinct from a cobbler, who repaired shoes Linda

You need to say where they were born and where they were living, so they can be found on the other censuses Linda

Thank you for replies they where in Derby though Francis was born chesterfield on the census. The cord warmer was 2 seperate words 1 above the other, but hard to read

1891 198 Parliament St a boot and shoe repairer Andrew Fletcher abt 1872 Derbyshire, England Son St Werburgh Derbyshire Francis Fletcher abt 1845 Chesterfield Head St Werburgh Derbyshire Frederick Fletcher abt 1876 Derbyshire, England Son St Werburgh Derbyshire Gertrude Fletcher abt 1880 Derbyshire, England Daughter St Werburgh Derbyshire Hannah E Fletcher abt 1874 Derbyshire, England Daughter St Werburgh Derbyshire Jane Fletcher abt 1845 Derbyshire, England Wife St Werburgh Derbyshire Martha L Fletcher abt 1882 Derbyshire, England Daughter St Werburgh Derbyshire

1871 a shoemaker Henry Farrington abt 1819 Derbyshire, England Lodger Derby Derbyshire Anne M Fletcher abt 1870 Derbyshire, England Daughter Derby Derbyshire Francis Fletcher abt 1845 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England Head Derby Derbyshire James H Fletcher abt 1865 Derbyshire, England Daughter Derby Derbyshire Jane Fletcher abt 1845 Derbyshire, England Wife Derby Derbyshire

Thank you Linda, looks like i found the right family in 1881

now i can go look for marriage and births on BMD

1851, Francis with his parents, his father and older brother are shoe makers. Andrew Fletcher abt 1833 Derby, Derbyshire, England Son Derby St Alkmund Derbyshire Ann Fletcher abt 1835 Chestenfield, Derbyshire, England Daughter Derby St Alkmund Derbyshire Eliza Fletcher abt 1842 Derby, Derbyshire, England Daughter Derby St Alkmund Derbyshire Elizabeth Fletcher abt 1803 Smalley, Derbyshire, England Wife Derby St Alkmund Derbyshire Emma Fletcher abt 1837 Chestenfield, Derbyshire, England Daughter Derby St Alkmund Derbyshire Francis Fletcher abt 1788 Nordley, Derbyshire, England Head Derby St Alkmund Derbyshire Francis Fletcher abt 1845 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England Son Derby St Alkmund Derbyshire John Fletcher abt 1839 Chestenfield, Derbyshire, England Son Derby St Alkmund Derbyshire

Wow, you are an angel thank you

1901 still in Parliament St, francis is a cord waimer and Gertrude is a machinist in a paper mill Francis Fletcher abt 1845 Chesterfield Head Derby Derbyshire Fredk Fletcher abt 1876 Derbyshire, England Son Derby Derbyshire Gertrude Fletcher abt 1880 Derbyshire, England Daughter Derby Derbyshire Jane Fletcher abt 1845 Derbyshire, England Wife Derby Derbyshire Martha L Fletcher abt 1882 Derbyshire, England Daughter Derby Derbyshire

Gertrude is listed at Whittiker road on marriage cert so that must have been where she was a domestic

1861 Still in County Bridge St, Francis the father has been mistranscobed as Francelia. Both he and 11 year old son francis are cordwainers Eliza Fletcher abt 1841 Derbyshire, England Daughter St Alkmund Derbyshire Elizabeth Fletcher abt 1803 Smanley, Derbyshire, England Wife St Alkmund Derbyshire Francelia Fletcher abt 1790 Woodhouse, Derbyshire, England Head St Alkmund Derbyshire Frances Fletcher abt 1844 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England Son St Alkmund Derbyshire Frederick Fletcher abt 1855 Derbyshire, England G S St Alkmund Derbyshire France Varney abt 1836 Belper, Derbyshire, England Lodger St Alkmund Derbyshire

Could that Fancelia be a father as birth is 1790,i mean father of my ggandfather

1841 Walker Lane Court Derby James 50 (so means 50 to 54) shoemaker Elizabeth 35 (so 35 to 39) Elizabeth 15 Frederick,13 Andrew 8 Hannah 5 Emma 3 John 2

who was James i cant see him on the other census

The 1861 image is hard to read, but the one mistranscibed as Francelia is age 70 and the head of the house, his wife Elizabeth is only 50. He must be the Francis of the 1851 census. So you have this branch of your family back to 1841 now, that should give you a good start. glad to help Linda

Ican see a James in 1871 but as a daughter?????????????