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Help - Joseph Tennyson born c1861 Manchester. Please some assistance, as I have come to a dead end on this one. Joseph Tennyson, according to 1901 census, born c1861 in Manchester. Married Maud Emily Leach Lynch 8.11.1891 in Islington London. Children Joseph Leach Tennyson 10.3.1894 Augustus Walter Tennyson 17.2.1895 Emily Minnie C Tennyson c 1896 Leslie Bert Tennyson 13.3.1901. Have located marriage certificate (8 Nov 1891) that shows father as Joseph Tennyson deceased. No details of any of these Tennysons in any other earlier census returns. Need to locate both Joseph Tennyson and the rest of the family. Can anyone help please. Managed to locate on 1901 census only. No trace on other census returns. HELP...please!Thanks Steve

Would this be the family in 1901: Emma J Brother abt 1865 Kingsland, London, England Nurse Lambeth London Matilda W Denham abt 1871 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Nurse Lambeth London Augustus L Linch abt 1855 Australia Boarder Lambeth London Daisy M Linch abt 1878 Chatham, London, England Boarder Lambeth London Augustus W Tennyson abt 1895 Brixton, London, England Son Lambeth London Babe Tennyson abt 1901 Brixton, London, England Son Lambeth London Emily M Tennyson abt 1872 Islington, London, England Wife Lambeth London Emily M Tennyson abt 1896 Brixton, London, England Daughter Lambeth London Joseph Tennyson abt 1861 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head Lambeth London Joseph L Tennyson abt 1894 Brixton, London, England Son Lambeth London Joseph is recorded as a Comedian/Actor?? Is that right?

On the marriage cert does it records the fathers name & occupation? If so pls give details..........also the name of the witnesses as sometimes this can help pin point a family etc etc.

Yes, that is the family in 1901. Yes, comedian is the occupation. Father named Joseph Tennyson (deceased at date of marriage in 1891), occupation Barber. Witnesses Emily Mosedale, singer, and Augustus Leopold Leach Lynch, father of bride (Theatrical proprietor) Steve

Does his age on the MC tie in with him being born 1861??

I found this on family History Online: 1891 Name Joseph Tennyson Sex – Age 28 PRO Ref RG12 Piece and folio 0395/029b County Surrey Reg. Dist. Lambeth Sub Dist Lambeth Church 2nd HOWEVER can't find him on Ancestry???

1891 Name: Joseph Lemyson Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Boarder Where Born: Manchester Civil parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel County/Island: London Country: England Source information: RG12/395 Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Folio: 29 Page: 8 occupation: artist also boarding: Bernard Armstrong - artist aged 23, born Sheffield James Allison - artist aged 29, born London and his wife Lucy, aged 22 also born London. Someone has written 'sculp' against all the artists. Well done Deborah for finding him in 1891 - we've been trying to find that for days!

A sculpture artist in 1891 FOUND HIM : Name: Joseph Lemyson Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where Born: Manchester Civil parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel County/Island: London Country: England View image Source information: RG12/395 Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Folio: 29 Page: 8 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6095505

LOL Christine we found him almost together - well done you too..........what a mistranscription though of the name LOL !!

What stars you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spent so long trying to find information! Not sure why can't locate on other census returns though Steve

I've tried just Joseph, then just Tenn* - the little so and so is still not showing up on ancestry!

He truly is hidden ............. as are most of anyone with the name Tennyson. Variants: Tenison Tennison Tenyson Teneson oh not forgetting Lemyson LOL

Do you think they are purposely trying to remain hidden!! Spent ages trying to locate any thing apart from 1901 census return.....and you both found an entry in no time at all! What stars you both are....now, if you could only find a bit more.....yes a bit cheeky of me, I know!

Can't see a birth registration for him( or any other Joseph Tennyson and its variations) between 1859-1865 on full version of birth records.

I know his father was also a Joseph Tennyson as well. Wonder whether there is an Irish connection at all? Steve

I've just done similar to Caroline, but checked TENNYSON and TENNISON 1860 to 1863. Zilch Most of the births to those surnames are in East Yorkshire, though there was a Henry in Bethnal Green in one of the 1861 quarters.

I wonder if his father died very early on in his childhood and his mother re married and thus this is why we can't find him in 1881 & 1871??

I suppose his father could have died early, but wonder whether they had any other offspring at all. The other option is the awful spelling in the census returns! Seems a mystery that they disappeared! I know that Joseph Tennyson born c1861 died 5 September 1926 in London as I have managed to obtain a copy of the death certificate. He should appear in other census returns. Steve

I feel your frustration..........there just isn't anything jumping out of the census at present...........I've resorted to just trawling through all the Joseph's born in and around the yrs in Manchester LOL........... Perhaps a clue would lie in tracing other Tennyson's you find born in Manchester around the yrs of 1860 - 1865 and trace them and see if they have joseph sat there ??

Good thought Deborah! Locating any other Tennysons around that date would be the best way forward. There has always been a thought that there was an Irish connection. Wonder whether perhaps they returned to Ireland? Steve