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These are the facts so far:- Maud Louise Fordham (7/4/1910 I have the birth cert Holborn London) parents were Richard Stanley Fordham and Jane Emma Short. Maud Elizabeth Fordham (not diffo middle name on marriage cert, Clerkenwell, London) married Charles Robert Chisnell on 24/12/1932. Her father is shown on cert as Richard Stanley Fordham, Motor Bus Driver. I have a cert for a Charles Richard Fordham marriage to Jane Emma Short on 24/Feb/1901 Pancras, London. Note diffo name for Fordham. His father's name is Charles, cab driver. The only Richard i can find on census is still shown at home and unmarried in 1901 wen he should have already been married as census was on 31/3 1901, BUT HIS father is shown as Charles a cab driver!!! Cannot find any other census info on the likely Fordhams, or anything else for that matter, except for the sme Charles in 1891. CAN YOU FIND ANYTHING I HAVE MISSED PLEASE?? GERRY :-))

Sorry Gerry, bit confused. Maud's parents are Richard Stanley and Emma Jane but marriage is for Charles Richard and Emma Jane?

oops.......... should have read 24/feb/1901.......... typo! Sorry Ihave changed message to give right dates now. gerry :-))

Fiona That is correct!! I know i may have the wrong marriage, but i think it very unlikely as this was the only one i could find with relevant names. MORE or LESS!! Gerry :-))

How old was Charles Richard on his 1901 marriage certificate?

Have you searched for his wife? Could it be they were married andhad no where to life in the first instance so had to stay with their parents? Is he reocrded as Single ??

I think your first find was them..........Jane is there too but as a daughter .....she's actually 19 on the original document and NOT 4: 1901 England Census Record about Jane Fordham Name: Jane Fordham Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Charles Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: St Pancras, London, England Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Pancras Sub-registration district: Somers Town ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 441 Household Members: Name Age Charles Fordham 42 Frederick Fordham 9 James Fordham 19 Jane Fordham 4 Mary Fordham 43 Richard Fordham 19

Whats the address given on the marriage cert for the pair of them pls?

They were both 18 at marriage which gives a birth date of about 1883. I could/cannot find Jane Emma Short or her family in 1901 census. To be honest i think its pretty unlikely they would have lived apart just on month after marriage. Anyway, the Richard i have on 1901 census is shown as unmarried. Gerry :-))

Sorry about all the questions but what was Charles Richards occ on the marriage certificate? you said his father was a cab driver. Also what was Jane Emma's fathers name?

Deborah They were both living at 82 Cleveland St, wherever that was.. i assume the parish of St John, Fitzroy Sq,London where they were married. Jane Emma's father was John Short, Blacksmith and one of the witnesses was Sarah Short (Mother or sister i would imagine) Gerry :-))

The Richard above has NOTHING recorded in the marital status column ONLY Charles & Mary have M recorded for marriage......

Fiona Ask away. if it gets me 4ward I dont care how many questions!! LOL His occupation was Carman Gerry :-))

On maud's bith cert Richard Stanley's occupation was Traveller's Coachman

The address for the FORDHAMS is 52 Chalton St ........ by the looks of things. Richard is recorded as a COACHMAN I'll trace the Fordham find to 1891.......

Still a cab driver: 1891 England Census Record about Charles Fordham Name: Charles Fordham Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Maria Gender: Male Where Born: Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub registration district: Somers Town ED, institution, or vessel: 14a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alfred W Fordham 1 Annie Fordham 8 Charles Fordham 30 >>>>>Dickey Fordham 9 ( Born: Kennington, London) Maria Fordham 33

Deborah yes there is nothing recorded for marrital status, but that applies for every one who isn't married on that particula page...... I would suggest the person filling in the form took the short cut of only saying when people were married. I think the Jane is correct as age 4.......... the person above, aged 19 is I think called Jenny..... its looks as tho the y has nat been crossed out. Gerry :-))

I think you really ned to search for his birth cert to obtain mothers name........have you searched for this yet?

Deborah That is the ONLY other ref I can find to my Fordhams, assuming the 1891 and 1901 ones are the correct ones!! I HAVE learnt something today tho thanks to you, and that is the existance of Alfred W. As there is a blank line on the first page i never thought to look at the next page, and when I originally got the copy Ancestry di NOT list the famil as they do now!! Gerry ;-))