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Way to go Fiona ...... thats her.... thanks Gerry ;-))

There's this birth, I believe Westminster covers St Anne's which is the birth place for Jane in the 1891 census I gave. Still can't find the family in 1901. Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1882 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Short Jane Emma Westminster 1a 505

Fiona Thanks.......... that looks quite a good bet.... on the Short side. Gerry ;-))

The only likely Jane Short I can find is this one, John's occ is Smiths Mate. Don't seem to be able to find the family in 1901 though. 1891. Name: Jane A Short Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Jane Gender: Female Where Born: St Anns, London, England Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Pancras Sub registration district: Tottenham Court ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Carry M Short 3 Jane Short 31 Jane A Short 8 John Short 32 John Short 10 Lorina R Short 9/12 Thomas A Short 6

Deborah That is the ONLY other ref I can find to my Fordhams, assuming the 1891 and 1901 ones are the correct ones!! I HAVE learnt something today tho thanks to you, and that is the existance of Alfred W. As there is a blank line on the first page i never thought to look at the next page, and when I originally got the copy Ancestry di NOT list the famil as they do now!! Gerry ;-))

I think you really ned to search for his birth cert to obtain mothers name........have you searched for this yet?

Deborah yes there is nothing recorded for marrital status, but that applies for every one who isn't married on that particula page...... I would suggest the person filling in the form took the short cut of only saying when people were married. I think the Jane is correct as age 4.......... the person above, aged 19 is I think called Jenny..... its looks as tho the y has nat been crossed out. Gerry :-))

Still a cab driver: 1891 England Census Record about Charles Fordham Name: Charles Fordham Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Maria Gender: Male Where Born: Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub registration district: Somers Town ED, institution, or vessel: 14a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alfred W Fordham 1 Annie Fordham 8 Charles Fordham 30 >>>>>Dickey Fordham 9 ( Born: Kennington, London) Maria Fordham 33

The address for the FORDHAMS is 52 Chalton St ........ by the looks of things. Richard is recorded as a COACHMAN I'll trace the Fordham find to 1891.......

On maud's bith cert Richard Stanley's occupation was Traveller's Coachman

Fiona Ask away. if it gets me 4ward I dont care how many questions!! LOL His occupation was Carman Gerry :-))

The Richard above has NOTHING recorded in the marital status column ONLY Charles & Mary have M recorded for marriage......

Deborah They were both living at 82 Cleveland St, wherever that was.. i assume the parish of St John, Fitzroy Sq,London where they were married. Jane Emma's father was John Short, Blacksmith and one of the witnesses was Sarah Short (Mother or sister i would imagine) Gerry :-))

Sorry about all the questions but what was Charles Richards occ on the marriage certificate? you said his father was a cab driver. Also what was Jane Emma's fathers name?

They were both 18 at marriage which gives a birth date of about 1883. I could/cannot find Jane Emma Short or her family in 1901 census. To be honest i think its pretty unlikely they would have lived apart just on month after marriage. Anyway, the Richard i have on 1901 census is shown as unmarried. Gerry :-))

Whats the address given on the marriage cert for the pair of them pls?

I think your first find was them..........Jane is there too but as a daughter .....she's actually 19 on the original document and NOT 4: 1901 England Census Record about Jane Fordham Name: Jane Fordham Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Charles Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: St Pancras, London, England Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Pancras Sub-registration district: Somers Town ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 441 Household Members: Name Age Charles Fordham 42 Frederick Fordham 9 James Fordham 19 Jane Fordham 4 Mary Fordham 43 Richard Fordham 19

Have you searched for his wife? Could it be they were married andhad no where to life in the first instance so had to stay with their parents? Is he reocrded as Single ??

How old was Charles Richard on his 1901 marriage certificate?

Fiona That is correct!! I know i may have the wrong marriage, but i think it very unlikely as this was the only one i could find with relevant names. MORE or LESS!! Gerry :-))