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have serious flaw in tree! my grandmother was jennie white ferry b.1895 durham have spent quite some time tracing her and family as could find no birth for a white ferry, however found record for jane ferry (dates match and so does family) her father on her marriage cert to my grandfather is george ferry(1843 durham), however have since been told by family member that jennies mother was a maid for timothy white (the chemist) and had 2 children by him! (was paid money to set up a shop!!) anyway this doesnt add up as on all census jennies mother is ann(b.1846 durham) and her age when jennie was born would have been around 50! (always thought was odd) anyhow have now been informed from recently discovered family member that jennie had a half sister called martha shanks.... her elder 'sister' frances (b 1875 durham) married a william shanks in 1897 and had martha, maggie and richard.... have ordered the birth cert for jennie and am awaiting with baited breath to see if true parents are listed, as on all census she is down as daughter of george and ann. anyway now i need to find timothy white...... this is where you guys come in! i have no idea where to start as i have no idea of age etc, all i know was that he was poss head of a household that had maids in durham! IF ANYONE THINKS THEY CAN HELP...... PLEASE DO SO! thanks jenny!

Strikes me as odd that they would have 2 daughters both called Jane (with no middle names). I think the birth cert is the best thing to get the parent's names. Could be that, because she was raised by George and Ann, she thought they were her parents even if they weren't. Not sure what to do about Mr White though. It's not a very uncommon name lol He could be anyone.... though there aren't any Tim Whites after 1881 lol

If they had 2 daughters with same 1st name, it usually signifies that the 1st one died.

hi orangeblossom, thanks for replying! even with birth cert its not really going to help me with mr white as like you said not uncommon! i have had a quick look through ancestry to see if i could see any census entries that looked possible but found zilch! jenny

There is a Timothy White, retired Chemist and Oilman on the 1881 census, at Portsea Hants(LDS 1881). He has a servant and several grown up sons..... OC

hi you guys thanks! oc sorry but is the place you've found close to durham?? dont know the area very well at all! and rebekah the first jane married a william steadman, and as i said my grandmother was known as jennie. jenny

Jennie, no, nowhere near! But...he was RETIRED and I am pretty sure this is Timothy White of Timothy White and Taylors, the Chemists.He could have been living anywhere in the 1840s! Is it possible the SON of Timothy was the father of the child and his father (Timothy) set the mother up in a shop, to keep her quiet? What I mean is, there may be a muddle up with the generations. OC

It's likely that, unless her parents are George and Ann, that there will be no father listed on the birth cert. No help at in finding him, but at least it will confirm your suspisions about her mother. Hampshire is no where near Durham. Nearest counties are Northumberland and Yorkshire (and Cumbria at a push)

sorry for my lack geographical knowledge! lol! thanks oc, yes this is possible and orangeblossom your right as well! if the 'sister' is the mother then its probably more likely that one of the sons was the father, as frances would have been 20 when she had jennie, i did forget to mention that jennie has a brother called william white ferry who is also the same as before listed as son of geoge and ann, but have been told was her true brother so this means that it wasnt a one off... if you catch my drfit! thanks once again, your all so brilliant, half my tree wouldnt be done if it were not for you guys on here! jenny!

oc can you give me any more details on timothy white or his sons please, it will give me something at least to go on! thanks jenny :)

I'm confused. Was it Ann who is supposed to have had children by Timothy White? Is this the Ferry family in 1881? Name: Ann Ferry Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Gor. Gender: Female Where born: Houghton, Durham, England Civil Parish: Coxhoe County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Quarrington Hill Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Nicholas ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ann Ferry 33 Frances Ferry 6 Gor. Ferry 35 Jane Ferry 10 Sarah Ann Ferry 1 Susannah Ferry 3

hi lyla, yes thats the family! and at first thought yes it was supposed to be ann but then a family member told me about an aunt martha... when i questioned how she was aunt was informed that she was jennies half sister! which then led me to the fact that jennies mum would have to actually be her older 'sister' frances as she married william shanks and had martha, frances and william didnt marry until 1897.

Jennifer You can get the address of Timothy White by looking at the Company's House register. As he must have been a Director, he also had to give his home address. Hope this helps

hi adrian thanks for info where would i find companys house register?? jenny

I think you are going to have to wait until you get Jennie's birth certificate but it seems unlikely that she and William are children of George and Ann - probably one of their daughters as someone mentioned. Perhaps it was that daughter who had the affair with Mr White?

Right I've done some googling and found out that the founder of Timothy Whites was Woolmer White. He is the son of the chap that OC found... Name: Woolmer R. White Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Son Father's name: Timothy Mother's name: Emily C. Gender: Male Where born: Landport, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Portsea County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: 158 & 160 Commercial Rd Education: Employment status: View Image Occupation: Chemist & Oilman Registration district: Portsea Island Sub-registration district: Landport ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emily C. Lancaster 22 Alfred J. White 16 Emily C. White 55 Emily M. White 32 Timothy White 56 Woolmer R. White 22

Doh! Lyla's quicker than me! Suggest you trace this family back on previous censuses to see if they are in durham anywhere - or whether any of your relatives was a servant in their household elsewhere than Durham. Then forwards to see what Woolmer and or Alfred J were up to....sorry, but I don't have a sub to Ancestry, perhaps someone else does? OC

Well here they are in 1871 - there is a brother Timothy so perhaps he was Jennie's dad. Name: Woolmer White Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Son Father's name: Timothy Mother's name: Emily Gender: Male Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Portsea Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Portsea Island Sub-registration district: Landport ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Edward Blencoe 16 Hannah Briddell 22 Frederick Franklin 21 Henry Hamilton 27 Caroline Hunt 6 Hannah Hunt 44 William Hurst 19 Harriet Rinner 17 William Westbrook 20 Emily White 45 Emily White 22 Napoleon White 14 Timothy White 47 Timothy White 19 Victor White 6 Woolmer White 12 Timothy senior and Woolmer are both still in Portsea in 1891.

wow thanks lyla and oc! thats brill now i can start looking! if you mange to come up with anything else.... its very much apprecited! jenny :)