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In 1911, Robert and Mary Ann were in Inverbervie with children Robert 7; Helen H 1; Maggie 5; Rachel 4; David L 2;.

In 1921, they were in Inverbervie, with children David 12, Helen11, Rachel 14, Robert 17, Annie 7, Lizzie 4, Maggie 15, William 2, James 0.

From an age point of view, it seems much more likely that one of those sons was the father of Ruth and Robert Burns - but without the birth certs, there's no way of knowing.

That makes much more sense…………….

Thankyou ArgyllGran

I will get the certificate then I will be able to use everything you and everyone else as posted to work it all out.

:-)

Marriages of the Fotheringham/Legg sons:

David Legg Fotheringham married Caroline E Rettie in 1935.

Robert Balneave Fotheringham (junior) married Isabella Mary S Thomson in 1937.

James Legg Fotheringham married Janet Roberta Richardson in 1946.

William Edward Fotheringham (born1919) married late in life, to Elizabeth Mary MacQueen (nee Kindness) in 1972.
She had previously been married to Hugh George MacQueen in 1955.


Going by the dates, David is therefore likely to be Ruth and Robert B's father -
BUT
only the birth certs will prove or disprove.

AG- What is the address for Robert and Mary Ann on the 1911 Census in Inverbervie please ?

Sorry, I would have to spend credits to see that, as the Scottish 1911 census is only on SP, and not on Ancestry or other sites..

You can look it up for yourself.
Register (free) with SP.
Log in.
Click "Search the records".
Click "Census" and choose 1911.
Enter the name of one of the family, with age (as in my post at 20:53), and Inverbervie (in Kincardineshire) as location.
Click "Buy credits" beside the entry you want.

The minimum is 30 credits for £7.50, and you'll use 6 credits to view and/or print the census record.

WWI, Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923

Address on Pension Card given - DAVID STREET, BERVIE

Robert has 2 service numbers during the War.

Pte 8115 Fotheringham King's Own Scottish Borderers (KOSB) entered the war in France/Belgium 19th Jan 1915.
He later transferred to the Machine Gun Corps and was renumbered 16903.

National Archives Machine Gun Corps records are down at the moment, so I can't tell you more.

Placed on Army Reserve (Class Z) 21st March 1919. Soldiers were returned to civilian life after the war, but placed in the Reserves in case there was a resurrection of hostilites etc. Class Z means he was claiming for a disability, but this would not preclude him from being recalled, if necessary.

I don't know what his disability was.

The three medals referred to by ArgyllGran were the Victory Medal, British War Medal (as posted) and in Roberts case the 1914/1915 Star. ( as opposed to the 1914 Star)

AG- Thank you. I'll leave the Census for the OP to follow up on.

If Ancestry is anything to go by, then Robert had a brother Edward, 15 Dec 1890, who served with the Canadians during WW1.

Two addresses listed for Edwards NOK
Father William, Mother Margaret - Gardenstone Street, Laurencekirk
- 33 Reform Street, Montrose

FOTHERINGHAM, EDWARD
mmn SMITH
M
1890
267 / 45
St Cyrus

Other siblings whose births show on SP - all in St Cyrus :

George Thomson Fotheringham - 1887 (Died in infancy - 1887)
James Fotheringham - 1875
David Robert Fotheringham - 1874
John Fotheringham - 1877
Alexander Smith Fotheringham - 1892
Lizzie Jane Fotheringham - 1893

Also:
Walter S Fotheringham - born c1881, per 1891 census posted previously, though I can't see his birth on SP.

[Jink - sorry, when I gave details of accessing SP, I mistakenly thought the query about 1911 was from Rebecca.]


ADDED:
Found Walter's birth - Benholm is near Inverbervie;

FOTHERINGHAM, WALTER SCOTT
mmn SMTIH
M
1880
253 / 28
Benholm

He married Helen Kerr in 1900 in Lesmahagow, and they had children:
John 1901, William 1903 (died 1948), Alexander 1907, James 1913 (died 1914), and possibly a daughter Flora 1909.

??????? Could explain the mention of Dundee

FOTHERINGHAM
RUTH
SMITH
CHARLES
1957
282 / 2 / 411
Dundee West

________________________________________________

FOTHERINGHAM
DAVID LEGG
89
LEGG
M
1998
343 / 25
Inverbervie


FOTHERINGHAM
CAROLINE ELIZAB
92
MACDONALD
F
2002
342 / 21
Stonehaven and East Kincardine

FOTHERINGHAM
DORIS
LEGG
F
1925
254 / 14
Bervie or Inverbervie


FOTHERINGHAM
MAGGIE
LEGG
F
1905
253 / 28
Benholm


FOTHERINGHAM
RACHEL
LEGG
F
1907
387 / 156
Perth


FOTHERINGHAM
GEORGINA HENDER
LEGG
F
1912
254 / 17
Bervie or Inverbervie


FOTHERINGHAM
ANNIE GERARD SP
LEGG
F
1913
254 / 32
Bervie or Inverbervie


FOTHERINGHAM
HELEN HENDERSON
LEGG
F
1910
254 / 18
Bervie or Inverbervie


FOTHERINGHAM
DAVID LEGG
LEGG
M
1909
387 / 104
Perth

All recorded deaths for Fotheringham with MMN Legg.
NOTE: Adult female deaths are recorded in both maiden and married names (where relevant) in Scotland

FOTHERINGHAM
AGNES ROBERTSON
94
LEGG
F
2017
367 / 290
Montrose


FOTHERINGHAM
ANNIE GERARD SP
97
LEGG
F
2010
505 / 201
Dumbarton


FOTHERINGHAM
LIZZIE JANE WAT
84
LEGG
F
2001
342 / 41
Stonehaven and East Kincardine


FOTHERINGHAM
HELEN HENDERSON
93
LEGG
F
2003
342 / 212
Stonehaven and East Kincardine


FOTHERINGHAM
MAGGIE
94
LEGG
F
2000
343 / 13
Inverbervie


FOTHERINGHAM
DORIS
82
LEGG
F
2007
342 / 197
Stonehaven and East Kincardine


FOTHERINGHAM
JAMES LEGG
84
LEGG
M
2005
810 / 281
Galashiels


FOTHERINGHAM
MARY PORTEOUS B
83
LEGG
F
2007
342 / 135
Stonehaven and East Kincardine


FOTHERINGHAM
WILLIAM EDWARD
83
LEGG
M
2002
342 / 102
Stonehaven and East Kincardine


FOTHERINGHAM
DAVID LEGG
89
LEGG
M
1998
343 / 25
Inverbervie


FOTHERINGHAM
RACHEL
90
LEGG
F
1997
343 / 51
Inverbervie


FOTHERINGHAM
GEORGINA HENDER
1
LEGG
F
1913
254 / 36
Bervie or Inverbervie

No record on SP of a marriage for Robert Burns Fotheringham

Did he marry in Lancashire in 1956?

ADDED......looks like he did, in view of the following

FOTHERINGHAM, ROBERT BURNS 1935
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2022 in LANCASHIRE (591-1D) Entry Number 524179787

Yes Robert burns Fotheringham lived in Bamber bridge, lancashire when he was married.

I know it well - got stuck many a time at the level crossing!!

Robert Burns daughter has just got back to me at said her grandfather was just called Andrew Fotheringham?? and his wife was Mary Clarke.

Sorry to everyone that has helped on this thread so far. No wonder I have struggled to research when given wrong names. She is looking for what information she has she doesn't think she has his birth certificate anymore.

OK - so everything we've found up to this point Is useless.

Start again -

Marriage:
FOTHERINGHAM, ANDREW
CLARK, MARY
1934
282 / 1 / 249
St Mary and St Peter

In that case, you need the marriage cert, to see his parents' names.
There are/were lots of Andrew Fotheringhams.

NO record on SP of a marriage for Andrew Fotheringham to anyone named Clarke.

You can easily look yourself, of course.

BUT..................when SP re-opens for certificate ordering, get the birth cert and save all the speculation

OR...get the man's marriage cert from the GRO for (hopefully) accurate info about his father


ADDED..........
???????????

FOTHERINGHAM
ANDREW
CLARK
MARY
1934
282 / 1 / 249
St Mary and St Peter.............DUNDEE!!!!!!!

You can view the image if you buy some credits on SP. Cheaper and quicker than ordering a cert

I feel awful.

I am very grateful for everyone's help. I have made an SP account.