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Wendy
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22 Jun 2025 16:21 |
Please could someone help me find who Jessie Joce married. Her birth was 1878 Plymouth Devon.
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ErikaH
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22 Jun 2025 16:34 |
Any reason to assume she married anyone?
Have you looked at freebmd?
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Have you looked for/ found her in any censuses?
Her birth from the GRO site
JOCE, JESSIE ELETHEA (MMN) WILLIAMS GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 266
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ErikaH
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22 Jun 2025 16:35 |
The marriage is on freebmd..........I'll let you have the pleasure of finding it for yourself
Much more rewarding for you................
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Wendy
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22 Jun 2025 16:57 |
Thank you so much for your help.
Kind regards,
Wendy
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ErikaH
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22 Jun 2025 17:16 |
Ancestry suggests that this is her death............
Deaths Mar 1946 (>99%) Ryall Jessie A 67 Bromley 2a 1167
SMITH, JESSIE ALETHEA MARY JOCE GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 520
1921 Census Of England & Wales School Ham, Prospect Street, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England
Frank M Ryall Head Male 1877 43 St Pancras, London, England School Keeper L C C Jessie Ryall Wife Female 1878 42 Hampshire, England - - Jessie Ryall Daughter Female 1907 14 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England - - Renee Ryall Daughter Female 1909 11 Grays, Essex, England - - Norah Ryall Daughter Female 1912 8 Grays, Essex, England - - Ninon Ryall Daughter Female 1913 7 Kensington, London, England - - Frederick Ryall Nephew Male 1900 20 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Blacksmiths Mate A H Inns Builders Out Of Work
No sign of a marriage to Ryall..........so you'd have had trouble finding her with the man she actually married
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Wendy
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22 Jun 2025 17:17 |
Thank you for this - has helped me a lot.
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Wendy
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ErikaH
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22 Jun 2025 17:20 |
Name Ninon Kathleen Stella Ryall Record Type Baptism Baptism Date 7 Nov 1913 Baptism Place Saint Columb, Notting Hill: Lancaster Road, Kensington and Chelsea, Kensington and Chelsea, England Father Frank Ryall Mother Alethea Ryall
RYALL, NINON KATHLEEN STELLA (MMN) JOYCE GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 222
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ErikaH
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22 Jun 2025 17:29 |
RYALL, FRANCES RENEE SHEILA JOICE GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in ORSETT Volume 04A Page 622
Name Eileen Norah Patricia Ryall Baptism Date 30 Aug 1912 Baptism Place Little Thurrock, St Mary the Virgin, Essex, England Father Frank Ryall Mother Lethe Ryall
Name Eileen N P Ryall Registration Date 1912 Quarter of the Year Jul-Aug-Sep Registration Place Orsett, Essex, England Mother Joce Volume 4a Page 1239
Name Eileen Norah P Joyce Death Age 71 Birth Date 26 Jul 1913 Registration Date Jul 1984 Registration District Bromley Inferred County Kent Volume 11 Page 1060
Name Eileen N Ryall [Eileen N Joyce] Gender Female Marital Status Single Birth Date 25 Jul 1912 Residence Date 1939 Address 6 Rigault Rd Residence Place Fulham, London, England Occupation Totalisator Operator Line Number 8 Schedule Number 4 Sub Schedule Number 1 Enumeration District Agde Borough Fulham
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ArgyllGran
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22 Jun 2025 17:48 |
1911 Census says Frank was married. (His middle initial M in 1921 is a mistranscription.):
Frank William Ryall in the 1911 England Census Name Frank William Ryall Age in 1911 33 Estimated Birth Year abt 1878 Relation to Head Officer Gender Male Birth Place St Pancras, London, England Civil parish Grays Thurrock and Stifford County/Island Essex Country England Street Address Training Ship Exmouth, Metropolitan Asylums Board, Grays, Essex Marital Status Married Occupation Officer Of Watch Registration District Number 192 Sub-registration district Grays ED, institution, or vessel 25-29 Piece 9976 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Reginald B Colmore 53 Head Frederick Lewis Coplestone 28 Chief Officer (Head) Harry William Collerell 34 Officer Frank William Ryall 33 Officer Alwyne J Tuill 32 Officer Jas Payne 42 Officer Joseph Jno Norris 47 Officer Fredk H Smith 42 Officer James Barton 52 Officer George Othen 40 Officer
But there's no sign of a marriage ..
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Wendy
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22 Jun 2025 17:51 |
Many thanks for this information
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Wendy
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ArgyllGran
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22 Jun 2025 17:54 |
Discharged in 1909 as "medically unfit".
Frank William Ryall in the UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939 Name Frank William Ryall Gender Male Birth Date 14 Feb 1877 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Birth Place St Pancras, London First Service Date 11 Jun 1892 First Ship Served On St Vincent Last Service Date 7 Jun 1905 Last Ship Served On Victory I Service Number 167799
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ArgyllGran
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22 Jun 2025 18:36 |
Re: Frances Renee Sheila Ryall -
Frances Renee Sheila Ryall in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1921 Name Frances Renee Sheila Ryall Baptism Date 25 Nov 1909 Baptism Place Grays Thurrock, St Peter and St Paul, Essex, England Father Frank William Ryall Mother Lethe Ryall
Presumably Jessie in 1911 - although image clearly says Lethe:
[ADDED: Lethe will be a shortened version of Alethea.]
Lethe Ryall in the 1911 England Census Name Lethe Ryall Age in 1911 32 Estimated Birth Year abt 1879 Relation to Head Wife Gender Female Birth Place Plymouth, Devonshire Civil parish Little Thurrock County/Island Essex Country England Street Address 9 College Road, Grays Marital Status Married Years Married 12 Estimated Marriage Year 1899 Registration District Number 192 Sub-registration district Grays ED, institution, or vessel 10 Piece 9961 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Lethe Ryall 32 Wife Fred Ryall 10 Son - Portsmouth Terry Ryall 9 Son - Portsmouth Lethe Ryall 3 Daughter [ presumably Jessie, though says Lethe ] Bent Ryall 1 Daughter [ Rene on image ]
SMITH, ARTHUR TERENCE mmn JOCE GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 485
SMITH, ALFRED EDWARD JAMES mmn JOCE GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 478
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ErikaH
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22 Jun 2025 18:40 |
Fred and Terry will be Alfred Edward J Smith and Arthur Terence Smith
She told the truth when she said how long she’d been married…….just failed to mention that it wasn’t to Mr Ryall
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ErikaH
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22 Jun 2025 19:55 |
Thanks for adding the births, AG. I can’t C&P just now
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Wendy
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22 Jun 2025 21:15 |
Thank you everyone for the helpful information.
Wendy
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ErikaH
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23 Jun 2025 10:16 |
First name(s) Arthur Terence County Hampshire Last name Smith Country England Birth year - Register type Baptisms Baptism year 1905 Register year range 1899-1906 Baptism date 04 Dec 1905 Archive reference CHU 4/1A/3 Baptism place Portsea, St George Page 96 Dedication St George Archive Portsmouth History Centre Denomination Anglican Record set Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms Residence 46 Gloucester ST Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Father's first name(s) Alfred Edward Subcategory Parish Baptisms Mother's first name(s) Jessie Alethea
First name(s) Alfred Edward James County Hampshire Last name Smith Country England Birth year 1900 Register type Baptisms Birth date 10 Aug 1900 Register year range 1900-1946 Baptism year 1900 Archive reference CHU 7/1A/3 Baptism date 26 Aug 1900 Page 2 Baptism place Portsea, St Michael Archive Portsmouth History Centre Dedication St Michael Record set Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms Denomination Anglican Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Residence 46 Gloucester Street Subcategory Parish Baptisms Father's first name(s) Alfred Edward**************************Seaman, Royal Navy Collections from England, Great Britain Mother's first name(s) Jessie Alethea
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ErikaH
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23 Jun 2025 10:20 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 46, Gloucester Street, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England James Joce Head Married Male 50 1851 Skilled labourer d yard Devon, England Mary Joce Wife Married Female 51 1850 - Plymouth, Devon, England Jessie Smith Daughter Married Female 22 1879 - Plymouth, Devon, England Alfred Smith Grand son - Male 0 1901 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
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ErikaH
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23 Jun 2025 10:30 |
RYALL, ARTHUR TERENCE 15 GRO Reference: 1917 S Quarter in LONDON CITY Volume 01C Page 16
Ryall Alfred Edward J 10/08/1900 1971 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Eton, Buckinghamshire, England
Marriages Mar 1924 (>99%) Ryall Alfred E J Taylor Shoreditch 1c 111 Taylor Marie D Ryall Shoreditch 1c 111
1939 Register 39 Warkworth Gardens, Hounslow, Heston and Isleworth M.B., Middlesex, England Alfred E Ryall 10 Aug 1900 Male Foreman Filling Testing Chemical Dept Fire Extingiuishers Manufact Married 237 1 Marie D Ryall 30 Sep 1899 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 237 2
Deaths Sep 1971 (>99%) RYALL Marie Dorothy 30Se1899 Eton 6a 892
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ErikaH
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23 Jun 2025 10:45 |
1939 Register 6 Rigault Road, Fulham, Hammersmith And Fulham, Fulham, London, England
John Taylor 03 Apr 1893 Male Chartered Accountant Married 3 1 Joyce Marcia (J) Spooner (Mobey,Taylor) 20 Feb 1921 Female Telephonist Gpo Single 3 2 Ninon Kathleen (Stella) Cooper (Ryall,Taylor) 20 Oct 1913 Female Clerk (Counting House) Married 3 3 Sydney Cooke 30 Sep 1898 Male Electrician (House Winer) Married 3 4
Marriages Dec 1951 (>99%) RYALL Ninon K S COOPER Middlesex S. 5f 150 COOPER George A RYALL Middlesex S. 5f 150
Deaths Sep 1972 (>99%) COOPER Ninon Kathleen S 20Oc1913 Hounslow 5c 1168
Ninon is definitely shown as 'married' on 1939 image, but...........................it looks to be an error, as Taylor has been crossed-through and replaced with Ryall. The only 'notes' are dated 1951, which would fit with her marriage to Cooper
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ErikaH
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23 Jun 2025 12:14 |
Marriages Jun 1941 (>99%) Joyce Edmund J C Ryall Fulham 1a 655 Ryall Eileen N P Joyce Fulham 1a 655
One child........details on freebmd
Eileen's death posted earlier
Joyce Edmund John Charles 1906 1945 Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour Habbaniya War Cemetery, Iraq
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