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Wendy

Wendy Report 22 Jun 2025 16:21

Please could someone help me find who Jessie Joce married. Her birth was 1878 Plymouth Devon.

Thank you.

Wendy

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2025 16:34

Any reason to assume she married anyone?

Have you looked at freebmd?

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Have you looked for/ found her in any censuses?

Her birth from the GRO site

JOCE, JESSIE ELETHEA (MMN) WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 266

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2025 16:35

The marriage is on freebmd..........I'll let you have the pleasure of finding it for yourself

Much more rewarding for you................

Wendy

Wendy Report 22 Jun 2025 16:57

Thank you so much for your help.

Kind regards,

Wendy

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2025 17:16

Ancestry suggests that this is her death............

Deaths Mar 1946 (>99%)
Ryall Jessie A 67 Bromley 2a 1167

SMITH, JESSIE ALETHEA MARY JOCE
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 520

1921 Census Of England & Wales
School Ham, Prospect Street, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England

Frank M Ryall Head Male 1877 43 St Pancras, London, England School Keeper L C C
Jessie Ryall Wife Female 1878 42 Hampshire, England - -
Jessie Ryall Daughter Female 1907 14 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England - -
Renee Ryall Daughter Female 1909 11 Grays, Essex, England - -
Norah Ryall Daughter Female 1912 8 Grays, Essex, England - -
Ninon Ryall Daughter Female 1913 7 Kensington, London, England - -
Frederick Ryall Nephew Male 1900 20 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Blacksmiths Mate A H Inns Builders Out Of Work

No sign of a marriage to Ryall..........so you'd have had trouble finding her with the man she actually married

Wendy

Wendy Report 22 Jun 2025 17:17

Thank you for this - has helped me a lot.

Kind regards,

Wendy

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2025 17:20

Name Ninon Kathleen Stella Ryall
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 7 Nov 1913
Baptism Place Saint Columb, Notting Hill: Lancaster Road, Kensington and Chelsea, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father Frank Ryall
Mother Alethea Ryall

RYALL, NINON KATHLEEN STELLA (MMN) JOYCE
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 222

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2025 17:29

RYALL, FRANCES RENEE SHEILA JOICE
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in ORSETT Volume 04A Page 622

Name Eileen Norah Patricia Ryall
Baptism Date 30 Aug 1912
Baptism Place Little Thurrock, St Mary the Virgin, Essex, England
Father Frank Ryall
Mother Lethe Ryall

Name Eileen N P Ryall
Registration Date 1912
Quarter of the Year Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Place Orsett, Essex, England
Mother Joce
Volume 4a
Page 1239


Name Eileen Norah P Joyce
Death Age 71
Birth Date 26 Jul 1913
Registration Date Jul 1984
Registration District Bromley
Inferred County Kent
Volume 11
Page 1060



Name Eileen N Ryall
[Eileen N Joyce]
Gender Female
Marital Status Single
Birth Date 25 Jul 1912
Residence Date 1939
Address 6 Rigault Rd
Residence Place Fulham, London, England
Occupation Totalisator Operator
Line Number 8
Schedule Number 4
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Agde
Borough Fulham

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2025 17:48

1911 Census says Frank was married. (His middle initial M in 1921 is a mistranscription.):

Frank William Ryall
in the 1911 England Census
Name Frank William Ryall
Age in 1911 33
Estimated Birth Year abt 1878
Relation to Head Officer
Gender Male
Birth Place St Pancras, London, England
Civil parish Grays Thurrock and Stifford
County/Island Essex
Country England
Street Address Training Ship Exmouth, Metropolitan Asylums Board, Grays, Essex
Marital Status Married
Occupation Officer Of Watch
Registration District Number 192
Sub-registration district Grays
ED, institution, or vessel 25-29
Piece 9976
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Reginald B Colmore 53 Head
Frederick Lewis Coplestone 28 Chief Officer (Head)
Harry William Collerell 34 Officer
Frank William Ryall 33 Officer
Alwyne J Tuill 32 Officer
Jas Payne 42 Officer
Joseph Jno Norris 47 Officer
Fredk H Smith 42 Officer
James Barton 52 Officer
George Othen 40 Officer

But there's no sign of a marriage ..

Wendy

Wendy Report 22 Jun 2025 17:51

Many thanks for this information

Kind regards,

Wendy

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2025 17:54

Discharged in 1909 as "medically unfit".

Frank William Ryall
in the UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939
Name Frank William Ryall
Gender Male
Birth Date 14 Feb 1877 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Place St Pancras, London
First Service Date 11 Jun 1892
First Ship Served On St Vincent
Last Service Date 7 Jun 1905
Last Ship Served On Victory I
Service Number 167799

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2025 18:36


Re: Frances Renee Sheila Ryall -

Frances Renee Sheila Ryall
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1921
Name Frances Renee Sheila Ryall
Baptism Date 25 Nov 1909
Baptism Place Grays Thurrock, St Peter and St Paul, Essex, England
Father Frank William Ryall
Mother Lethe Ryall


Presumably Jessie in 1911 - although image clearly says Lethe:

[ADDED: Lethe will be a shortened version of Alethea.]

Lethe Ryall
in the 1911 England Census
Name Lethe Ryall
Age in 1911 32
Estimated Birth Year abt 1879
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Birth Place Plymouth, Devonshire
Civil parish Little Thurrock
County/Island Essex
Country England
Street Address 9 College Road, Grays
Marital Status Married
Years Married 12
Estimated Marriage Year 1899
Registration District Number 192
Sub-registration district Grays
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Piece 9961
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Lethe Ryall 32 Wife
Fred Ryall 10 Son - Portsmouth
Terry Ryall 9 Son - Portsmouth
Lethe Ryall 3 Daughter [ presumably Jessie, though says Lethe ]
Bent Ryall 1 Daughter [ Rene on image ]



SMITH, ARTHUR TERENCE mmn JOCE
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 485

SMITH, ALFRED EDWARD JAMES mmn JOCE
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 478

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2025 18:40

Fred and Terry will be Alfred Edward J Smith and Arthur Terence Smith

She told the truth when she said how long she’d been married…….just failed to mention that it wasn’t to Mr Ryall

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2025 19:55

Thanks for adding the births, AG. I can’t C&P just now

Wendy

Wendy Report 22 Jun 2025 21:15

Thank you everyone for the helpful information.

Wendy

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Jun 2025 10:16

First name(s) Arthur Terence
County Hampshire
Last name Smith
Country England
Birth year -
Register type Baptisms
Baptism year 1905
Register year range 1899-1906
Baptism date 04 Dec 1905
Archive reference CHU 4/1A/3
Baptism place Portsea, St George
Page 96
Dedication St George
Archive Portsmouth History Centre
Denomination Anglican
Record set Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms
Residence 46 Gloucester ST
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) Alfred Edward
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Jessie Alethea


First name(s) Alfred Edward James
County Hampshire
Last name Smith
Country England
Birth year 1900
Register type Baptisms
Birth date 10 Aug 1900
Register year range 1900-1946
Baptism year 1900
Archive reference CHU 7/1A/3
Baptism date 26 Aug 1900
Page 2
Baptism place Portsea, St Michael
Archive Portsmouth History Centre
Dedication St Michael
Record set Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms
Denomination Anglican
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Residence 46 Gloucester Street
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) Alfred Edward**************************Seaman, Royal Navy
Collections from England, Great Britain
Mother's first name(s) Jessie Alethea

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Jun 2025 10:20

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
46, Gloucester Street, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
James Joce Head Married Male 50 1851 Skilled labourer d yard Devon, England
Mary Joce Wife Married Female 51 1850 - Plymouth, Devon, England
Jessie Smith Daughter Married Female 22 1879 - Plymouth, Devon, England
Alfred Smith Grand son - Male 0 1901 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Jun 2025 10:30

RYALL, ARTHUR TERENCE 15
GRO Reference: 1917 S Quarter in LONDON CITY Volume 01C Page 16

Ryall
Alfred Edward J
10/08/1900
1971
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Eton, Buckinghamshire, England

Marriages Mar 1924 (>99%)
Ryall Alfred E J Taylor Shoreditch 1c 111
Taylor Marie D Ryall Shoreditch 1c 111


1939 Register
39 Warkworth Gardens, Hounslow, Heston and Isleworth M.B., Middlesex, England
Alfred E Ryall 10 Aug 1900 Male Foreman Filling Testing Chemical Dept Fire Extingiuishers Manufact Married 237 1
Marie D Ryall 30 Sep 1899 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 237 2

Deaths Sep 1971 (>99%)
RYALL Marie Dorothy 30Se1899 Eton 6a 892

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Jun 2025 10:45

1939 Register
6 Rigault Road, Fulham, Hammersmith And Fulham, Fulham, London, England

John Taylor 03 Apr 1893 Male Chartered Accountant Married 3 1
Joyce Marcia (J) Spooner (Mobey,Taylor) 20 Feb 1921 Female Telephonist Gpo Single 3 2
Ninon Kathleen (Stella) Cooper (Ryall,Taylor) 20 Oct 1913 Female Clerk (Counting House) Married 3 3
Sydney Cooke 30 Sep 1898 Male Electrician (House Winer) Married 3 4


Marriages Dec 1951 (>99%)
RYALL Ninon K S COOPER Middlesex S. 5f 150
COOPER George A RYALL Middlesex S. 5f 150

Deaths Sep 1972 (>99%)
COOPER Ninon Kathleen S 20Oc1913 Hounslow 5c 1168

Ninon is definitely shown as 'married' on 1939 image, but...........................it looks to be an error, as Taylor has been crossed-through and replaced with Ryall.
The only 'notes' are dated 1951, which would fit with her marriage to Cooper


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Jun 2025 12:14

Marriages Jun 1941 (>99%)
Joyce Edmund J C Ryall Fulham 1a 655
Ryall Eileen N P Joyce Fulham 1a 655

One child........details on freebmd

Eileen's death posted earlier

Joyce
Edmund John Charles
1906
1945
Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour
Habbaniya War Cemetery, Iraq

RAFVR