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I recall, as a child, my father saying Robert (Bob) Jacks was an uncle to my mother. Bob Jacks was a footballer - Manager (one team he managed was Plymouth Argyle). I am aware he was born in Alloa 4 April 1896 & wikipaedia shows he died 6 May 1943. My family are from Plymouth -I am assuming he married in Plymouth. If he was my mums uncle, I have a feeling he may have married my grandmother’s sister? My grandmothers maiden name was Witheridge. Wikaepedia shows his two children but not his spouse’s name. Can anyone help please?

Look for a marriage using freebmd…it’s a very easy site to use

He didn’t die in Plymouth……or anywhere else in England/Wales

For anyone trying to help….the correct surname is JACK…….as per Wikipedia!!!!!

This seems very familiar…………….

Using correct info, the death was in SOUTHEND

Sounds familiar to me too, but can’t find another thread.

Added: as you have his children’s details from his Wikipedia page you can now use the GRO ( if born in England/Wales) to find the surnames of the mothers.
You also should check for his marriage on Scotlands People.

A result via google shows Jack had a son called David, also a foorballer

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

JACK, DAVID BONE NIGHTINGALE NIGHTINGALE
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 390

which would make this the marriage of David's parents -

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
Jack Robert Bolton 8c 658
Nightingale Georgina Florence Bolton 8c 658

Jack played for Bolton Wanderers amongst other teams

1921 Census Of England & Wales
1, Thornbury Park Avenue, Peverell, Plymouth, Devon, England

Robert Jack Head Male 1876 45 Clackmannan, Clackmannanshire, Scotland Footbal Club Secretary Plymouth Argyle Football Co Ltd
Georgina Florence Jack Wife Female 1877 43 St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands Home Duties -
Robert Rollo Jack Son Male 1902 19 Bolton, Lancashire, England Clerk Plymouth Argyle Football Co
Donald Atrill Jack Son Male 1904 17 Plymouth, Devon, England Shipwright Apprentice H M Dockyard
David Bone Nightingale Jack Visitor Male 1898 23 Bolton, Lancashire, England Professional Footballer Bolton Wanderest Fc
Kathleen Jack Visitor Female 1898 22 Londonderry (Derry), Ireland Home Duties

NOTE ....CORRECT birth year

Sons' births
JACK, ROBERT ROLLO NIGHTINGALE
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 413

JACK, DONALD ATRILL NIGHTINGALE
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in DEVONPORT Volume 05B Page 311

Name David Bone Nightingale Jack
Gender Male
Birth Date 3 Apr 1898
Birth Place Bolton, Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, Greater Manchester, England
Death Date 10 Sep 1958
Death Place Westminster, City of Westminster, Greater London, England
Cemetery Streatham Park Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Streatham, London Borough of Lambeth, Greater London, England
Spouse Kathleen Bernadette Jack


Name David Bone Nightingale Jack
Gender Male
Birth Date 3 Apr 1898
Birth Place Bolton, Lancs.
First Service Date 15 Jun 1916
First Ship Served On Vivid I
Last Service Date 10 Jul 1919
Last Ship Served On Hecla II
Service Number M20939

1911 Census For England & Wales
1 Thornbury Park Avenue Plymouth, Plymouth, Devon, England
Georgina Florence Jack Wife Married Female 31 1880 - St Heliers Jersey
David Bone Nightingale Jack Son - Male 12 1899 - Bolton Lancs
Robert Rolls Jack Son - Male 8 1903 - Bolton Lancs
Donald Atrill Jack Son - Male 7 1904 - Plymouth


First name(s) David B N
Country England
Last name Jack
Father's name Robert
Birth year 1898
Book type Admissions
Birth date 03 Apr 1898
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Event year 1911
Archive reference 2324/11
Admission date 28 Aug 1911
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
School name Sutton High/sutton Secondary/regent Street/keppel Place/mount Street Schools
Category Education & work
Town Plymouth


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
54, Musgrave Road, Bolton, Lancashire, England
James Nightingale Head Married Male 51 1850 Insurance agent Bolton, Lancashire, England
Sarah Nightingale Wife Married Female 60 1841 - Devon, England
Elizabeth J Bell Daughter Single Female 31 1870 Printer compositor Gibraltar
Ethel L Nightingale Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Mantle shop ass Midlothian, Scotland
James A Nightingale Son Single Male 19 1882 Pattern maker apprentice Gosport, Hampshire, England
David B M Jack Grand son - Male 2 1899 - Bolton, Lancashire, England


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
18, Kirkby Road, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Robert Jack Head Married Male 24 1877 Solicitors clerk & prof footballer Scotland
Georgina F Jack Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Jersey, Channel Islands

1911 Census For England & Wales
1 Thornbury Park Avenue Plymouth, Plymouth, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Georgina Florence Jack Wife Married Female 31 1880 - St Heliers Jersey
David Bone Nightingale Jack Son - Male 12 1899 - Bolton Lancs
Robert Rolls Jack Son - Male 8 1903 - Bolton Lancs
Donald Atrill Jack Son - Male 7 1904 - Plymouth

Married 14 years. 4 children born, 1 has died

The child who died

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
JACK, OLA BLANCHE NIGHTINGALE
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 402

Name: Age at Death (in years):
JACK, OLA BLANCHE 0
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 292

From - https://www.lan-opc.org.uk

Burial: 3 Mar 1900 Heaton Cemetery, Bolton, Lancashire
Ola Blanche Jack, Child -
Died At: 18 Kirby Rd.
Age: 10 mos
Parish Removed From: Halliwell Bolton
Place of Burial: Div 2 Sec Q2 13
Unconsecrated Ground: Noncon
No of Grant: 6168
Buried By: T. Boston Johnstone
Register: Burials 1896 - 1900, Page 225, Entry 19387
Source: LDS Family Search

1939 Register
17 Nelson Road, Leigh-On-Sea, Southend-On-Sea C.B., Essex, England
Robert Jack 04 Apr 1876 Male FC Secty Manager (Retired) Married 176 1
Georgina F Jack 18 Oct 1876 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 176 2
Eliza J Bell 11 Sep 1869 Female Printer's Reader Retired Single 176 3

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Fort Brockhurst with Married Quarters, Alverstoke, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Georgina Florence
Last name Nightingale
Relationship Daughter
Marital status Single
Sex Female
Age 2
Age as transcribed 2
Birth year 1879
Birth town -
Birth county Jersey
Birth county as transcribed JERSEY
Birth place Channel Islands
Birth place other as transcribed CHANNEL ISLANDS
Occupation -
Full address Fort Brockhurst with Married Quarters, Alverstoke, Hampshire, England
Collections from Great Britain, England
House name Fort Brockhurst With Married Quarters
Street -
Parish Alverstoke
County Hampshire
Country England
Registration district Alverstoke
Sub district Alverstoke
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 1166
Folio 86
Page 5
Schedule 433
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census


In same household as
James Nightingale age 31 Married Corporal Royal Artillery born ? where, Lancashire
Sarah Nightingale age 40 Wife born Wembury, Devon
Eliza Jane Nightingale age 11 Daughter born Gibraltar

1921 census posted above shows Katheleen Jack - original says she is married

David Jack married Kathleen McCormack 17/6/19919 in the district of Inishowen which is a peninsula in Co. Donegal sitting next to Londonderry (Derry)

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09683/5511952.pdf

Looking at the original it says David was born 6.5.1898 and his Father was Robert Jack whose profession looks like retired player.
Her Father was Michael McCormack, profession "Customs" andd she lived in Derry at time of marriage. Can't read where David was living nor his occupation.

David signed and it looks as though the priest wrote it as David B. N. Jack

Donald died 1980 in Plymouth district

Re: David’s abode at the time of his marriage

Looks to me to be Buncrana, as per the Parish

The man may not have actually been a relation………’uncle’ could have been just a courtesy title. In those days, children did not address adults by their forenames - it wasn’t considered polite - so friends of their parents became honorary aunts and uncles.

Things have changed…..and not for the better

If you are certain that he was actually related, you’ll have to do some in-depth research of your proven antecedents. Start with your grandparents’ siblings, whose details one assumes you know. I’m surprised you haven’t already done this ;-) ;-)