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Robert(Bob)JacksAlloa b 4/4/187 - d 6 May 1943

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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2025 16:14

Name Sarah Willing
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 16 Jul 1790
Baptism Place Wembury, Devon, England
Religion Anglican
Father Nathaniel Willing
Mother Elizabeth Willing

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2025 16:11

Name Thomas Atrile
Record Type Marriage Banns (Marriage Bann)
Marriage Banns Date 1815
Marriage Banns Place Wembury, Devon, England
Marriage Date Apr 1815
Residence Date Abt 1815
Residence Place Wembury
Religion Anglican
Spouse Sarah Willing

Wembury Parish Church is lovely. It was used as the location for a funeral in an episode of 'The Coroner'

It is also where my cousin and his wife were among the congregation for many years until quite recently

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2025 15:59

Name John Atrill
Gender Male
Baptism Date 23 Mar 1821
Baptism Place Wembury,Devon,England
Father Thomas Atrill
Mother Sarah Willing
FHL Film Number 917553


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
37, Looe Street, Plymouth St Andrew, Plymouth, Devon, England
John Attwill Head Married Male 60 1821 Fisherman Wembury, Devon, England
Frances Attwill Wife Married Female 40 1841 - Dawlish, Devon, England

Name John Atrill
Age 62
Estimated Birth Year abt 1820
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place Plymouth, Devonshire, United Kingdom
Death Date Dec 1882
Volume 5b
Page 178

Name Frances Atrill
Age 42
Estimated Birth Year abt 1840
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place Plymouth, Devonshire, United Kingdom
Death Date Jun 1882
Volume 5b
Page 183

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2025 15:54

Name Eliza Attril
Birth Date 8 Dec 1851
Baptism Date 11 Aug 1852
Baptism Place St Helier, Jersey
Parish as it Appears St Helier
Father John Attril
Mother Rhoda Hockaday

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stillman Street, Charles, Plymouth, Devon, England
John Atrill Head Widower Male 50 1821 Fisher man Wembury, Devon, England
Eliza Atrill Daughter - Female 17 1854 Housekeeper Jersey, Channel Islands, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2025 15:50

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Jubilee Street, Charles the Martyr, Plymouth, Devon, England

John Atrill Male 20 1821 Devon, England
Rhoda Atrill Female 20 1821 Devon, England
Eliza Atrill Female 2 1839 Devon, England
Sarah Atrill Female 0 1841 Devon, England

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
16, Albert Place, St Anns, Alderney (8), Guernsey and Adjacent Islands, Channel Islands
John Atrill Head Married Male 40 1821 Stone mason England
Rhoda Atrill Wife Married Female 42 1819 - England
John Atrill Son Unmarried Male 14 1847 Stone mason England
Emeline Atrill Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 - St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Eliza Atrill Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1852 - St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Mahala Atrill Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1854 - Alderney,
Nathaniel Atrill Son Unmarried Male 5 1856 - Alderney,


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2025 15:40

Marriages Mar 1838 (>99%)
ATRILL John Stoke Damerel 9 464
HOCKADAY Rhoda Stoke Damerel 9 464

ATRILL, JOHN THOMAS HOCKADAY
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 09 Page 397

ATTRILL, - HOCKADAY
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in PLYMPTON ST MARY UNION Volume 09 Page 419
ATRILL, RHODA JANE HOCKADAY
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in PLYMPTON ST MARY UNION Volume 09 Page 417
ATRILL, SARAH HOCKADAY
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 09 Page 383

Elsiemary

Elsiemary Report 15 Jun 2025 15:36

It was my fault that I added ‘s’ to the name Jack by mistake. My grandmother was Emily Ellen Witheridge. Her mother’s name before marriage was Emily Ellen Attrill. Hence the connection with the name Attrill. See copy link Wikipedia on Robert Jack. https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2019/july/greatest-manager-no.4 And again thank you for information on my maternal side. My paternal side has taken me back to one of my 4th great grandfather Born in Venice, Italy. 1773. Johann Damelwic (changed to Joseph Demellweek in England). Married to Alice May. I am one of 35 grandchildren of John & Clara Northmore. My great grandfather’s mother was Louisa Demellweek, great grandaughter of Joseph. I visited Venice in 1985 - felt ‘so at home’ and found out years later about Joseph.

Elsiemary

Elsiemary Report 15 Jun 2025 15:36

It was my fault that I added ‘s’ to the name Jack by mistake. My grandmother was Emily Ellen Witheridge. Her mother’s name before marriage was Emily Ellen Attrill. Hence the connection with the name Attrill. See copy link Wikipedia on Robert Jack. https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2019/july/greatest-manager-no.4 And again thank you for information on my maternal side. My paternal side has taken me back to one of my 4th great grandfather Born in Venice, Italy. 1773. Johann Damelwic (changed to Joseph Demellweek in England). Married to Alice May. I am one of 35 grandchildren of John & Clara Northmore. My great grandfather’s mother was Louisa Demellweek, great grandaughter of Joseph. I visited Venice in 1985 - felt ‘so at home’ and found out years later about Joseph.

Elsiemary

Elsiemary Report 15 Jun 2025 15:36

It was my fault that I added ‘s’ to the name Jack by mistake. My grandmother was Emily Ellen Witheridge. Her mother’s name before marriage was Emily Ellen Attrill. Hence the connection with the name Attrill. See copy link Wikipedia on Robert Jack. https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2019/july/greatest-manager-no.4 And again thank you for information on my maternal side. My paternal side has taken me back to one of my 4th great grandfather Born in Venice, Italy. 1773. Johann Damelwic (changed to Joseph Demellweek in England). Married to Alice May. I am one of 35 grandchildren of John & Clara Northmore. My great grandfather’s mother was Louisa Demellweek, great grandaughter of Joseph. I visited Venice in 1985 - felt ‘so at home’ and found out years later about Joseph.

Elsiemary

Elsiemary Report 15 Jun 2025 15:23

Thank you for information.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Jun 2025 14:40

Name Georgina Florence Nightingale
Birth Date 16 Oct 1878
Baptism Date 6 Nov 1878
Baptism Place St Helier, Jersey
Parish as it Appears St Helier
Father James Nightingale
Mother Sarah Atrill

Name Georgina Florence Jack
Death Date 28 Feb 1960
Death Place London, England
Probate Date 2 May 1960
Probate Registry London, England
Probate to Donald Atrill Jack, Chartered Accountant


Name Sarah Atwill
Event Marriage
Gender Female
Marriage Date 8 Nov 1876
Marriage Place Registry Office Guernsey
Spouse James Nightingale

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Jun 2025 14:09

There is NO ’s’ on the end of the surname!!

Georgina’s birth in 1878 in the Channel Islands records that her father was serving with the Royal Artillery on the island.
By 1881 they were in Alverstoke, Hampshire

James Amer Nightingale born 1881 has MMN Attrill

James Barlow Nightingale married Sarah Atrill, widow, in 1876. Her father is named as John Atrill

In 1891, Mother and children were in Kinghorn, Fife

NIGHTINGALE
ETHEL LILIAN
ATWELL
F
1883
685 / 2 / 1146
St Andrew (Edinburgh)
By 1901, Father had left the Army and the family were in Bolton, as per my post last month


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
45, Colomberie Street, St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
John Atrill Head Married Male 31 1820 Stone mason England
Rhoda Atrill Wife Married Female 31 1820 At home England
Sarah Atrill Daughter - Female 10 1841 At home England
Rhoda Jane Atrill Daughter - Female 8 1843 At home England
Hanna Maria Atrill Daughter - Female 6 1845 At home -
John Ths Atrill Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar England
Emlin Ellin Atrill Daughter - Female 2 1849 - St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands

Sarah’s birth was registered. Look at the record on the GRO site to find MMN

Over to you………………

Elsiemary

Elsiemary Report 13 Jun 2025 21:07

Thank you. Just realised how to access info. Apologies for delay logging in - family commitments! I can see the ‘link’ with Bob Jacks showing St Helier, Channel Islands. My maternal great grandparents originated from St Helier, Channel Islands. Attrill - is their family name. Yes - i understand that calling someone ‘Uncle’ all those years ago was quite common. However, your information regarding St Helier descendants has given me much information. Thank you.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 May 2025 13:44

The man may not have actually been a relation………’uncle’ could have been just a courtesy title. In those days, children did not address adults by their forenames - it wasn’t considered polite - so friends of their parents became honorary aunts and uncles.

Things have changed…..and not for the better

If you are certain that he was actually related, you’ll have to do some in-depth research of your proven antecedents. Start with your grandparents’ siblings, whose details one assumes you know. I’m surprised you haven’t already done this ;-) ;-)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 May 2025 13:41

Re: David’s abode at the time of his marriage

Looks to me to be Buncrana, as per the Parish

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 May 2025 18:58

Donald died 1980 in Plymouth district

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 May 2025 18:18

1921 census posted above shows Katheleen Jack - original says she is married

David Jack married Kathleen McCormack 17/6/19919 in the district of Inishowen which is a peninsula in Co. Donegal sitting next to Londonderry (Derry)

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09683/5511952.pdf

Looking at the original it says David was born 6.5.1898 and his Father was Robert Jack whose profession looks like retired player.
Her Father was Michael McCormack, profession "Customs" and she lived in Derry at time of marriage. Can't read where David was living nor his occupation.

David signed and it looks as though the priest wrote it as David B. N. Jack

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 May 2025 17:39

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Fort Brockhurst with Married Quarters, Alverstoke, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Georgina Florence
Last name Nightingale
Relationship Daughter
Marital status Single
Sex Female
Age 2
Age as transcribed 2
Birth year 1879
Birth town -
Birth county Jersey
Birth county as transcribed JERSEY
Birth place Channel Islands
Birth place other as transcribed CHANNEL ISLANDS
Occupation -
Full address Fort Brockhurst with Married Quarters, Alverstoke, Hampshire, England
Collections from Great Britain, England
House name Fort Brockhurst With Married Quarters
Street -
Parish Alverstoke
County Hampshire
Country England
Registration district Alverstoke
Sub district Alverstoke
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 1166
Folio 86
Page 5
Schedule 433
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census


In same household as
James Nightingale age 31 Married Corporal Royal Artillery born ? where, Lancashire
Sarah Nightingale age 40 Wife born Wembury, Devon
Eliza Jane Nightingale age 11 Daughter born Gibraltar


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 May 2025 17:32

1939 Register
17 Nelson Road, Leigh-On-Sea, Southend-On-Sea C.B., Essex, England
Robert Jack 04 Apr 1876 Male FC Secty Manager (Retired) Married 176 1
Georgina F Jack 18 Oct 1876 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 176 2
Eliza J Bell 11 Sep 1869 Female Printer's Reader Retired Single 176 3

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 May 2025 17:31

From - https://www.lan-opc.org.uk

Burial: 3 Mar 1900 Heaton Cemetery, Bolton, Lancashire
Ola Blanche Jack, Child -
Died At: 18 Kirby Rd.
Age: 10 mos
Parish Removed From: Halliwell Bolton
Place of Burial: Div 2 Sec Q2 13
Unconsecrated Ground: Noncon
No of Grant: 6168
Buried By: T. Boston Johnstone
Register: Burials 1896 - 1900, Page 225, Entry 19387
Source: LDS Family Search