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The image of Jane's marriage cert can be seen on Ancestry.
Her address at marriage was 25 Allanson Street.
Herbert's address was 73 Ramford Street.
The witnesses were Charles and Mary Ellen Hewitt.
25 Allanson Street in 1911;
Thomas Scott
in the 1911 England Census
Name Thomas Scott
Age in 1911 36
Estimated Birth Year abt 1875
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil parish St Helens
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 25 Allanson St St Helens
Marital Status Married
Occupation Hawker
Registration District Number 456
Sub-registration district St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel 54
Piece 22808
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Scott 36 Head
Margaret Scott 34 Wife
Mathew Hilton Scott 12 Son
William Scott 12 Son
Thomas Scott 9 Son
Sarah Scott 1 Daughter
Sarah Jane Johnson 17 Servant
There was a Roberts family at 27 Allanson Street - but probably just a coincidence - another very common name in the area.
I don't see any obvious connection.
John Roberts
in the 1911 England Census
Name John Roberts
Age in 1911 47
Estimated Birth Year abt 1864
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Bethesda [Caernarvonshire]
Civil parish St Helens
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 27 Allanson Street Parr St Helens
Marital Status Married
Occupation Coal Miner Hewer
Registration District Number 456
Sub-registration district St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel 54
Piece 22808
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Roberts 47 Head
Elizabeth Roberts 48 Wife [ nee Owen ]
Johnny Roberts 21 Son
Henry Roberts 19 Son
William Roberts 18 Son
Ellen Roberts 15 Daughter
Arthur Roberts 12 Son
Elizabeth Roberts 10 Daughter
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An up-date.
Margaret is still proving to be elusive, until today. I have Margaret's birth certificate which states she was born on 24 September 1891. I searched the 1939 register for that birth but came up empty. I went through marriages in Prescot, on freeBMD, and concentrated only on Margaret with no middle name, then put those names into the 1939 register. Came up blank.
Today, I found a tree on Ancestry that appears to be the correct family but the birth date is wrong. This tree has her born in 1888. It gives the correct parents, Thomas Roberts and Margaret Naylor. I know we can't believe everything we see in other trees but this one definitely piqued my interest. It gave Margaret married to William Chadwick in 1908. William had a daughter, Margaret Jane Chadwick.
The interesting part is that a Margaret Jane Chadwick was married to Joseph Craven and they had a daughter, Joan Craven, who was a child bridesmaid at my Mom's wedding. Co-incidence?? - I'm not sure, that 1888 birth date worries me. I've written to the tree holder on Ancestry but haven't hear back yet.
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There is no record of a Margaret Roberts/Naylor birth in 1888, so the person who compiled the tree has entered wrong information.
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The woman who married Chadwick has birth year 1889 on 1921 census,but the marriage certificate would tell you who her father was
Ancestry trees are notoriously unreliable…..trust your own PROVEN research
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In 1939 William Chadwick’s birth year has changed from that shown in 1921 from 1883 to 1885, has two daughters living with him, but no record of a wife
Original has his status as ‘M’, which has been crossed-through in red and ‘W’ superimposed
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This is that family in 1921 and 1939.
1921 Census Of England & Wales
9, Wilcock Street, St Helens, St Helen's, Lancashire, England
Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
William Chadwick Head
Male 1883 37 St Helen's, Lancashire, England - Machine Man Plate Glass Worker
Margaret Chadwick Wife
Female 1889 32 St Helen's, Lancashire, England - -
Minnie Chadwick Daughter
Female 1911 10 St Helen's, Lancashire, England - -
Margaret Chadwick Daughter
Female 1914 7 St Helen's, Lancashire, England - -
John Chadwick Uncle
Male 1865 56 St Helen's, Lancashire, England - General Labourer
1939 Register
44 Grange Park Road, St Helens, St Helens C.B., Lancashire, England
Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
William Chadwick 23 Aug 1885 Male Fitter's Labourer Glass M? Plate Married 52 1
Minnie Bartley (Harrison) 17 Apr 1911 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 52 2
Joseph Craven 17 Sep 1911 Male Press Tool & Jig Maker Married 52 3
Margaret J Craven 25 Aug 1914 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 52 4
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
Not sure where Margaret is.
EDIT possible death for Margaret.
First name(s) Margaret
County Lancashire
Last name Chadwick
Volume 8B
Sex Female
Page 651
Birth year 1887
Country England
Age 49
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Death quarter 3
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death year 1936
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
District St. Helens
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Thank you. I've sent for the marriage certificate for Margaret and William so we can see who her father was.
It looks like the family in 1921 and 1939 is correct, especially as the one in 1939 gives Joseph Craven and Margaret Jane Craven (nee Chadwick). I have the marriage certificate for Joseph and Margaret, father of Joseph is David Craven and Margaret's father is William Chadwick. Witnesses are James Craven, B. E. Craven, Minnie Chadwick and William Chadwick. The marriage was in 1932 with ages given as 21 for Joseph and 18 for Margaret.
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I have today received the marriage certificate for Margaret and William (good old Canada Post)! They were married on 31 October 1908. William Chadwick, age 23, 10 Hanover Street, father William Chadwick (deceased), glassmaker. Margaret Roberts, age 20, 18 Hanover Street, father Thomas Roberts (deceased), brick setter. Looks like this is correct one.
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