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John(Jack) and Maud 1911 census

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2020 15:15

Maud Bainbrige/Andrewan in 1911:

Maud Hand
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Maud Hand
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Seaton Carew
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 32 Florence St
Marital status: Married
Registration District: Hartlepool
Registration District Number: 545
Sub-registration District: Hartlepool
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Piece: 29642
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hand 25
Maud Hand 23
Winnifred Hand 21/12


HAND, WINIFRED mms BAINBRIDGE
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 156

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Oct 2020 15:20

Tereza is John Frederick Bainbridge the only name you have been given please?

If it was Elizabeth Jobson then its her brother with them on the 1911 census as he's the right age.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2020 15:22

Did your mother actually give you the name John Frederick Bainbridge?
Or did she just say Jack?

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Oct 2020 15:26

AG Teresa is doing this for a friend.

Here's Henry Bainbridge's birth

Name: Henry Bainbridge
Mother's Maiden Name: Bainbridge
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Selby
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 2038

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2020 15:31

Yes, sorry, Teresa, I meant your friend's mother.

Did your friend's mother just say Jack, or did she specify John Frederick?
Did she give a surname?

The 1915 birth already posted - illegitimate.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Oct 2020 15:45

We need more names and facts don't we AG I have lost track of which name I should be looking for now. Did Teresa just think it was Maud he married and not Elizabeth or what?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2020 15:55

I suspect that Henry's grand-daughter was just told that he lived with his aunt Maud and uncle Jack, and then Teresa looked for any vaguely possible marriage.

I don't think the Guisborough marriage is necessarily anything to do with Henry.
The name Bainbridge may also be a red herring, if they were Henry's maternal relatives.

Re the 1915 birth -
There's a Bainbridge family in Chapel Haddlesey (in Selby RD) in 1911,with two daughters, one of whom may have been his mother. They both married after 1915.
There's also a brother named John, but he married an Alice, not a Maud.

John Bainbridge
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Bainbridge
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sutton On Forest, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Hirst Courtney Temple Hirst Chapel Haddlesey
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: Chapel Haddlesey Selby
Marital status: Married
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration District: Selby
Registration District Number: 515
Sub-registration District: Carlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 28307
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bainbridge 53
Harriet Ann Bainbridge 52
John Jenkinson Bainbridge 25
Ada Mary Bainbridge 16


John married Annie Hartley in 1920.
Ada married Thomas Stansfield in 1916.
Sarah married James Hanson in 1920.

There's another sister Harriet, on the 1901 census. She's a servant in Selby in 1911.

ADDED:
Ah! But!
There's a brother Joseph on the 1891 census for that family - could possibly have been known as Jack?:

Joseph Bainbridge
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Joseph Bainbridge
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: John Bainbridge
Mother: Harriet A Bainbridge
Birth Place: Chapel Haddlesey, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Chapel Haddlesey
Ecclesiastical parish: Haddlesey St John the Baptist
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Selby
Sub-registration District: Carlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 4426
Folio: 63
Page Number: 12
Household Schedule Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bainbridge 44
Harriet A Bainbridge 43
Charles H Bainbridge 13
Joseph Bainbridge 9
George S Bainbridge 8
Ada M Bainbridge 6
Harriet A Bainbridge 6
Sarah A Bainbridge 2

He married Ellen Maude Ducker :

Joseph Bainbridge
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Joseph Bainbridge
Spouse Surname: Ducker
Registration Year: 1912
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Selby
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 1892
Records on Page:
Name
Joseph Bainbridge
Ellen M Ducker

Ellen M was born 29 Jan 1890, per 1939 register - Joseph and Ellen living in Selby with daughter Nellie and daughter-in-law Rose - and a closed record.

DUCKER, ELLEN MAUDE mms DUCKER
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in WALSINGHAM Volume 04B Page 293

Rose Bainbridge
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Rose Bainbridge
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 1 Jan 1915
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Calder Cottages
Residence Place: Selby, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 20
Schedule Number: 5
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: KSGI
Borough: Selby
Registration District: 515/1
Household Members:
Name
Joseph Bainbridge
Ellen M Bainbridge
Nellie Bainbridge
Rose Bainbridge - married


The daughter-in-law Rose had married HENRY Bainbridge:

Rose Alexander
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Rose Alexander
Registration Date: Oct 1937
[Nov 1937]
[Dec 1937]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Howden
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Spouse: Henry Bainbridge
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 174a

I don't see the biirth of a Henry Bainbridge with mms Ducker.
Could be their nephew??

Teresa - does your friend know her grandmother's name?

Does her mother (what's her first name?) have any siblings?

There are Bainbridge/Alexander children born in the Selby/Howden area :
Alec - 1939
Vera - 1940
Geoffrey - 1943
Gordon - 1945
Margaret R - 1950

Also possibly Gary 1953, Sylvia 1954, and David A 1957.

Teresa

Teresa Report 30 Oct 2020 16:27

Hi Sorry missed all on page 2. She only put down her Grandad was bought up by Jack and Maud Bainbridge. I will read all this information on this 2nd page and get back on again later. Have been doing this for hours this afternoon and will have to break to get some dinner soon!! Teresa

Teresa

Teresa Report 30 Oct 2020 16:31

ArgyllGran. You are right as I didn't have much to go on I thought if I could at least find their marriage it would give me a clue, but it wasn't the right way to go about it, I see that now, but with all the info I have received from all of you I think its falling into shape, but I do need a break for a while.

Teresa

Teresa Report 30 Oct 2020 16:35

Oh gosh, have had to have another look now. As far as I know her Mother has given her these snippets of information. I do not know her Mum and she is quite elderly now, but she is going to see if her mum can remember anything else.

Teresa

Teresa Report 30 Oct 2020 16:49

Argyll Gran, just got some more info. Henry Bainbridge birth mother was Ada Bainbridge who married Thomas Stansfield in 1916. Don't know why they did not keep Henry, Ada possibly gave him up when he was born!! Henry married Rose Alexander in 1937 registered at Howden. I'm beginning to think its quite possible that Joseph Bainbridge and Ellen Maude could be the ones who bought Henry up, Not everyone used their given names, did they, certainly in my family that happened quite a lot!! :-S

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2020 17:00

Re Harriet Ann Bainbridge , who's with her parents and siblings in 1901, and a servant in another household in 1911 -

I don't think she married.

Living with John Bainbridge (her father) in 1918:

Harriet Ann Bainbridge
in the West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962
Name: Harriet Ann Bainbridge
Year: 1918
Country: England
County: West Yorkshire
Parliamentary Division: Barkston Ash
Reference Number: Barkston Ash

In 1921 she's with her father John, her brother John Jenkinson Bainbridge, and his wife Annie:

Harriet Ann Bainbridge
in the West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962
Name: Harriet Ann Bainbridge
Year: 1921
Country: England
County: West Yorkshire
Parliamentary Division: Barkston Ash
Place of Abode: Archer Cottages
Reference Number: Barkston Ash


With her father in 1934:

Harriet Bainbridge
in the West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962
Name: Harriet Bainbridge
Gender: Female
Year: 1934
Country: England
County: West Yorkshire
Parliamentary Division: Barkston Ash
Place of Abode: 2 The nook
Reference Number: Barkston Ash


Living alone in 1936:

Harriet Bainbridge
in the West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962
Name: Harriet Bainbridge
Gender: Female
Year: 1936
Country: England
County: West Yorkshire
Parliamentary Division: Barkston Ash
Place of Abode: 2 The nook
Reference Number: Barkston Ash


EDIT:
Actually, that's probably her mother Harriet Ann in 1918 and 1921. She (the mother) died in 1922:

Harriet Ann Bainbridge
in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Harriet Ann Bainbridge
Death Date: 18 Jan 1922
Cemetery: St John The Baptist Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place: Chapel Haddlesey, Selby District, North Yorkshire, England

Harriet A Bainbridge
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Harriet A Bainbridge
Death Age: 61
Birth Date: abt 1861
Registration Date: Jan 1922
[Feb 1922]
[Mar 1922]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Selby
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 999

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2020 17:02

Just seen your last post, Teresa - excellent news!

Teresa

Teresa Report 31 Oct 2020 15:57

ArgyllGran, thank-you for the extra info.