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I’m helping my stepdad with his family history he has a
Frederick John Bell brn in 1863 in Deptford
His parents were Frederick Bell and Emma nee Binns
they had oa few children including Frederick.

I have found a marriage for Frederick John Bell and a Maria Phyllis Lloyd in 1888
And have found 2 baptisms for children I am sure are theirs.

Alexander William Birkbeck Bell brn in 1891
And a William Arthur Bell brn in 1893

on the 1891 census there is Frederick John Bell and Maria bell With a son named Frederick Bell but I cannot find any record for him.
I think Frederick killed himself in 1893 as have found a newspaper article, then Maria married a Mr Nottage in 1894 where they had several children. I have found her on the 1911 census with her son Walter but I cannot find anything for any of her children .

Any pointers greatly appreciated

Lindsey :-)

1891 for our reference:

Frederick Bell
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Frederick Bell
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1863
Spouse: Maria Bell
Child: Frederick Bell
Birth Place: Deptford
Civil Parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Residence Place: Deptford, St Paul Deptford, London, England
Registration District: Greenwich
Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, Institution or Vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Piece: 495
Folio: 152
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Bell 28
Maria Bell 21
Frederick Bell 2 - Deptford


???birth:

BELL, FREDERICK JOHN HENRY mms LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1016

There is this death:-

First name(s) FRED
Last name BELL
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1889
Age 4
Death quarter 3
Death year 1893
District Greenwich
County London
Volume 1D
Page 677
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Are you sure he killed himself? Seems unlikely at the age of 4.

Kath. x

The other births you mention, for our reference:

BELL, ALEXANDER WILLIAM BIRBECK mms LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1064

BELL, WILLIAM ARTHUR BOULTON mms LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1038

For INFO

Name: Walter Thomas Henry Nottage
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1897
Baptism Place: Deptford St Paul, Lewisham, England
Father: Walter Herbert Nottage
Mother: Maria Phyllis Nottage



Name: Lillian Elizabeth Nottage
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Dec 1900
Baptism Place: Deptford St Nicholas, Greenwich, England
Father: Watter Herbert Nottage
Mother: Maria Phillis Nottage

Name: Florence May Nottage
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1898
Baptism Place: Deptford St Paul, Lewisham, England
Father: Walter Herbert Nottage
Mother: Maria Phyllis Nottage

Kath -
Lindsey means that the father Frederick killed himself.

Name: Frederick John Bell
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1893
Burial or Cremation Date: 18 Nov 1893
Burial or Cremation Place: Lewisham, London, England
URL:

Name: Maria Phyllis Bell
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1894
Marriage Place: St. Paul, Deptford, Kent, England
Spouse: Walter Herbert Nottage
FHL Film Number: 384885
Reference ID: 157

Alexander William Birkbeck Bell
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Alexander William Birkbeck Bell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Apr 1891
Baptism Date: 3 May 1891
Baptism Place: Deptford, Kent, England
Father: Frederick John Bell
Mother: Marie Phyllis
FHL Film Number: 384873
Reference ID: yrs 1890-1895 p 38

NOTTAGE, FLORENCE MAY BELL
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 985

NOTTAGE, WALTER THOMAS HENRY LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1070

NOTTAGE, LILIAN ELIZABETH BELL
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1019

Ahh, thanks ArgyllGran. I'm half asleep this morning :-D

Kath. x

??

Alexander William Binkick Bell
in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Name: Alexander William Binkick Bell
Age: 65
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1892
Death Date: abt 1957
Burial Date: 8 Jan 1957
Burial Place: Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Occupation: Engineer Store Keepr
Cemetery: Southern Cemetery
Cemetery Section: HH
Grave Number: 1354
Cemetery Notes: Consecrated


???

Alexander Bell
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Alexander Bell
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 19 Apr 1891
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Boilermarker
Line Number: 7
Schedule Number: 237
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: NJHN
Borough: Manchester
Registration District: 464-2
Inferred Spouse: Nellie Bell
Inferred Children: Alexander Bell
Nellie Bell
William Bell
Household Members:
Name
Alexander Bell
Nellie Bell
Alexander Bell
Nellie Bell
William Bell


William Alexander Bell
in the UK, British Army World War I Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: William Alexander Bell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1892
Birth Place: Millwall, London
Age: 22
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 6676
Regiment Name: 3Rd Battalion The Queens Regiment
Form Title: Army Reserve (Special Reservists) Attestation
Number of Images: 15
Name Relation to Soldier
William Alexander Bell Self (Head)
Nell Wife

Address on discharge: 40 Hawcastle (?) Street, East Greenwich.
Wife: Nell, 69a Lassell (?) Street, East Greenwich.

On the first page of the record his name is given as Alexander Walter Bell, as well as William Alexander Bell..




Alexander Bell
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alexander Bell
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, Deptford, United Kingdom <<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 88 Freme St Everton Rd C On M
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Revittor
Registration District: Chorlton
Registration District Number: 464
Sub-registration District: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 23843
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Kay 40
Mary Louisa Kay 42
John Edward Kay 18
Edith Jane Kay 10
Lily Kay 3
Alexander Bell 19

London, England, Poor Law Hospital Admissions and Discharges, 1842-1918

Name: Florence Nottage
Admission Age: 16
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date: abt 1898
Admission Date: 25 Sep 1914
Admission Place: Greenwich, London, London, England
Admission Poor Law Union: Greenwich

WALTER HERBERT
Last name NOTTAGE
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1865
Age 39
Death quarter 4
Death year 1904
District Greenwich

daughter
1911
Name: Lilian Nottage
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Poole
Search Photos: Search for 'Poole' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address: The Children's Home, West Street, Poole, Dorset
Occupation: School
Registration District: Poole
Registration District Number: 261
Sub-registration District: Poole
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 12277

Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)
Holland Frederick W Nottage Greenwich 1d 1768
Nottage Maria P Holland Greenwich 1d 1768


Deaths Dec 1904 (>99%)
NOTTAGE Walter Herbert 39 Greenwich 1d 567

1939

26 Gloucester Circus, Greenwich, Greenwich, London, England
Frederick W Holland 16 Jul 1880 Male Builders Labourer (Heavy Worker) Married 12 1
Maria P Holland 26 Dec 1866 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 12 2
Charold L Holland 01 Sep 1917 Male Builders Labourer (Heavy Worker) Single 12 3
Walter Hottuge 11 Aug 1897 Male Builders Labourer(Heavy Worker) Single 12 4

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Holland Charles E Amos Greenwich 1d 1308

Deaths Jun 1948 (>99%)
Holland Maria P 81 Greenwich 5c 473

Deaths Dec 1961 (>99%)
HOLLAND Frederick W 81 Lewisham 5d 92

Deaths Sep 1977 (>99%)
NOTTAGE WALTER 11AU1897 GREENWICH 12 943

Re William Arthur Boulton Bell:


William Arthur Bol..On Bell
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Arthur Bol..On Bell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 Apr 1893
Baptism Date: 23 Apr 1893
Baptism Place: Deptford, Kent, England
Father: Frederick John Bell
Mother: Maria Phyllis
FHL Film Number: 384873
Reference ID: yrs 1890-1895 p 226


?? EDIT - NO, not this army record below. This man's NOK is his mother Mrs Bell.

William Arthur Bell
in the UK, British Army World War I Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: William Arthur Bell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1894
Birth Place: Deptford, Kent, England
Enlistment Age: 20
Marriage Date: 5 Oct 1916
Marriage Place: Greenwich
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 8959
Regiment Name: Queen's Own (Royal West Kent) Regiment
Number of Images: 13
Form Title: Army Reserve Attestation
Name Relation to Soldier
William Arthur Bell Self (Head)
Daisey Senes Spouse

Address: 179 Church Street, Deptford.
NOK: Mother, Mrs Bell, and younger brother Walter, both of 1 Alfred Place, Deptford.

Thank you all I’ve got to go to work but will have a good look when I get back.
On the 1911 census Maria had had quite a few children life I think it says 15 in to total with only 8 still living. It feels like she was one strong lady to go through all she had and loosing soo many children in her life.
The Alexander Birkbeck I think is probably right as
his father Frederick a John Bell brn in 1863 was the child of Frederick Bell and a Emma Binns her father was an Alexander Birkbeck so the name was carried through
Thanks again :-D

1911 Census For England & Wales

2 Hale St Deptford, St Paul Deptford, London & Kent, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Maria Nottage - Widow Female 46 1865 Washer Woman Deptford
Walter Nottage - Single Male 6 1905 School Deptford
Maria Nottage's Census Details

says 15 children 7 still iving but crossed through

NOTTAGE, WALTER HERBERT BELL
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1048
Details taken from the original census record.