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Could some one help me with a Register office Marriage When I look on Lancashire BMD I found a marriage that interested me clicking on the Number at the side as if to buy it the next page has that you can buy it but also it stored at Manchester Library does this mean the actual marriage certificate it there to view or is it just the register that I can get on Ancestry

I know years ago you had to buy them just wondered if it has altered

ONLY C of E marriage certs can be viewd anywhere other than a Records Office, or, as in this case, Manchester Library

You will have to buy the cert to see the details - or visit the appopriate venue when current restrictions are lifted.

Nothing has changed with regard to accessing such info

Thank you I'll think about buying it??
Wish they had something like scotlandspeople it's a lot cheaper

Just in case anyone who doesn't know about certs on SP happens to read this thread -

images of certs can be viewed/printed at a cost of 6 credits (£1.50) each, if the event was more than
100 years ago for births
75 years for marriages
50 years for deaths

More recent certs can be bought via SP for £12.
BUT not at present, due to lockdown.

Thank you didn't want to confuse anyone

You can't be certain that the marriage was in a Register Office

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DUFF Thomas KELLY Ellen 1916 Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library MCR_RM/185/85

Which probably means, in view of their names, a Roman Catholic Church

Possibly but I've ordered it now Thank you

If it is an RC marr, then it's still worth checking out the parish register, as it will differ from the official marr cert.
It will obviously Latinize the names, but can give other info. E.g.,

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MCCANN Patrick HEATON Hannah 1840 Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROW/1/144

Marriage: 7 Jan 1840 St John RC, Wigan, Lancs.
Patricium McCann -
Hannam Heaton -
Groom's Parents: Samuelis McCann, de Drogheda in Hibernia & Bergittae
Bride's Parents: Danielis Heaton, de Comtu. Carloviensi in Hibernia & Hannae
Witness: Edwardo Diamond; Birgitta Smith
Married by: T. Dilworth M.A.
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1840, Page 53
Source: Original register at LRO

Here we see the mothers' names (Bridget/Hannah), and also where they came from -
Drogheda for the McCanns, and Co Carlow for the Heatons.

Pre-1898, only CofE, jews, quakers and the registrars were authorized to keep official marr rego's.
All other non-conformist marrs would need a registrar to attend with his official marr rego which the couple could sign to complete the ceremony.
Post-1898, anyone could apply to be authorized to keep an official marr rego,
So after, say, 1903, all non-conformist churches that wanted were authorized apart from new churches that were in the process of becoming authorized.
However, the RCs chose not to apply until abt 1970-ish in Lancs, and 1980-ish elsewhere.

Just to let you know I've got the marriage certificate and yes it was a church wedding
St Chads Catholic Church Manchester 23 Aug 1916
Thomas Duff 25 Bach Widow cleaner 8 Derby St Cheetham father Robert Duff Friut Seller
Ellen Kelly 19 Spin Cap Machinist 8 Davison St Manchester father John Dec Firewood Dealer Wit :-John Roscoe & Catherine Duff
From this I've managed to get 1901 & 1911 census BUT in 1911 their is mother Ellen and Ellen Daughter ( the one from the marriage) then a son Michael Kellicher ??1881 it looks as though he has been married 5 yrs

It has ellen the mother has been married 20yrs had 11 children lost 8
1901 it has John and daughter Mary 1888

Don't understand why the name is different unless she was married before

Get 1 thing answered only to open more questions

It would be much more helpful if you C&P'd the census records..................

1911

19 Cliff St Red Bank Manchester, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Ellen Kelly Head Widow Female 49 1862 Firewood Dealer Manchester Lancashire
Michael Kellicker Ws Married Male 28 1883 Hawker Manchester Lancashire
Ellen Kelly Daughter - Female 14 1897 Lining Maker Manchester Lancashire

1901

7, Munday Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Kelly Head Married Male 40 1861 General Labourer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ellen Kelly Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Kelly Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ellen Kelly Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Look for Ellen's birth on the GRO site, where MMN is recorded

If the mother had only been married for 20 years in 1911, whose child was MARY?

If you look again at the image for 1911, you will see that Michael's surname has been amended

???

KELLY, ELLEN (MMN) CALLIGAN
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 262

sorry I thought You would have gathered by now I'm hopeless at new things
I get myself in a mess

I'll look at the 1911 census and the 1897 GRO for Ellen

Thank you

micheal from 1901 ????

Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

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Name: Michael Kallicher
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 23
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1882
Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1905
Marriage Place: Manchester, St Matthew, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester, St Matthew
Search Photos: Search for 'Manchester, St Matthew' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Thomas Kallicher --- engineers labourer deceased
Spouse: Elizbeth Alice Pennington

Michael
Last name Kallicher
Sex Male
Birth year 1882
Birth date 20 Oct 1882
Origin country England
Birth country England
Year 1917
Destination country United States
Place Boston City No 6, Massachusetts, United States
County Suffolk
State Massachusetts
Country United States
Source dataset World War I Draft Registration Cards

Name: Michael Kalliches
[Michael Kallicher]
Race: White
Birth Date: 20 Oct 1882
Street address: 14 Hanson St
Residence Place: Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA
Relative: Ellen Kelly
Relative's Relationship: Mother

Yes I looked at that marriage some one has it on ancestry but the fathers name is Thomas not John ? and his job is wrong?

If his name wasn’t KELLY, his father wasn’t John Kelly

the micheal in usa has mother as as ellen kelly cheetham street manchester

there is this birth but not on gro
Name: Michael Kalliger
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Chorlton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 838

As usually the Kelly's have beaten me yet again,

Michael aged 28 in 1911 Ellen says she has been married 20yrs so that means Michael wasn't the son of John Kelly and Mary 1888 may not be John's Daughter, so the 11 children she has had might be between 2 marriages
The marriage for Michael might be right and his name is Kallicher/Kalliger ? and that might be them in USA
A lot of if's and but's Think I'll have to come back to this one

Thank you for your help

You need to find the alleged marriage between John Kelly and Ellen

Could that Kallicher be someones way of spelling of Gallagher? :-)