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There's an example of extra info that can be found in an RC marr rego that's not in the official marr cert at the end of my post at:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1363895?page=2


Lancashire Archives is responsible for the archives of the Roman Catholic dioceses of Lancaster, Liverpool, and Salford although many Roman Catholic registers are still kept in their respective parishes.
https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-and-record-office/

https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-and-record-office/our-collections/church-registers-guide/
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MANCHESTER, Cheetham Hill, St Chad [formerly Roman Entry, later Rook Street];Diocese of Salford
C 1762, 1772-1821, 1828-1916 M 1828-1922 Orig reg RCMCC
1762, 1772-1821, 1828-1916 M 1828-1922 Copy reg Microfilm MF 9/81-89
For baptisms 1821-1828 see St Augustine’s, Granby Row, Manchester
C 1947-1962, 1964M 1947-1954, 1961-1964 Reg rets RCSF 2
C 1772-1821M 1828-1840 Copy reg`Microfilm DDX 241/24
C 1847-1856, 1870-1872 Index Microfilm MF 9/83, 85

Your right their is a lot I've checked to see if MMN matches but their are some with no MMN or MMN Kelly Their are that many it's like a needle in a hay stack

Think I'll leave this one their are loads for me to go at Just sent for another certificate hopefully that one will be better

Thank you

Check the possible birth I posted for Ellen some time ago

There's a lot 'not right', but if people don't marry there are always going to be problems with tracing them

Thank you

Although it sounds good Their is no birth for Ellen & Mary Kelly with MMN Gunning I think if she had John 1899 and registered him why hasn't she registered Mary 1888 & Ellen 1896 . John isn't mentioned on the 1901 census could have died?
Their is some thing not quite right

Another child:

Birth:
KELLY, JOHN mms GUNNING
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 317

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
20, Allin Street, Chorlton upon Medlock, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Cahill Head Married Male 27 1854 General Labourer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Annie Cahill Wife Married Female 27 1854 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Cahill Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Cahill Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Cahill Son Single Male 3 1878 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Michael Cahill Son Single Male 0 1881 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ellen Gunning Boarder Single Female 23 1858 Cotton Spinner Manchester, Lancashire, England<<<<<<<<<<

Michael's birth also on GRO:

KALLIGER, MICHAEL mms GUNNING
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 838

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GUNNING Ellen KELLEHER Thomas 1882 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/60/109

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
KALLIGER Michael GUNNING 1882 Hulme Archives+, Manchester Central Library HUL/237/16

Could that Kallicher be someones way of spelling of Gallagher? :-)

You need to find the alleged marriage between John Kelly and Ellen

As usually the Kelly's have beaten me yet again,

Michael aged 28 in 1911 Ellen says she has been married 20yrs so that means Michael wasn't the son of John Kelly and Mary 1888 may not be John's Daughter, so the 11 children she has had might be between 2 marriages
The marriage for Michael might be right and his name is Kallicher/Kalliger ? and that might be them in USA
A lot of if's and but's Think I'll have to come back to this one

Thank you for your help

the micheal in usa has mother as as ellen kelly cheetham street manchester

there is this birth but not on gro
Name: Michael Kalliger
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Chorlton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 838

If his name wasn’t KELLY, his father wasn’t John Kelly

Yes I looked at that marriage some one has it on ancestry but the fathers name is Thomas not John ? and his job is wrong?

micheal from 1901 ????

Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

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Name: Michael Kallicher
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 23
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1882
Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1905
Marriage Place: Manchester, St Matthew, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester, St Matthew
Search Photos: Search for 'Manchester, St Matthew' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Thomas Kallicher --- engineers labourer deceased
Spouse: Elizbeth Alice Pennington

Michael
Last name Kallicher
Sex Male
Birth year 1882
Birth date 20 Oct 1882
Origin country England
Birth country England
Year 1917
Destination country United States
Place Boston City No 6, Massachusetts, United States
County Suffolk
State Massachusetts
Country United States
Source dataset World War I Draft Registration Cards

Name: Michael Kalliches
[Michael Kallicher]
Race: White
Birth Date: 20 Oct 1882
Street address: 14 Hanson St
Residence Place: Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA
Relative: Ellen Kelly
Relative's Relationship: Mother

sorry I thought You would have gathered by now I'm hopeless at new things
I get myself in a mess

I'll look at the 1911 census and the 1897 GRO for Ellen

Thank you

???

KELLY, ELLEN (MMN) CALLIGAN
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 262

If the mother had only been married for 20 years in 1911, whose child was MARY?

If you look again at the image for 1911, you will see that Michael's surname has been amended

It would be much more helpful if you C&P'd the census records..................

1911

19 Cliff St Red Bank Manchester, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Ellen Kelly Head Widow Female 49 1862 Firewood Dealer Manchester Lancashire
Michael Kellicker Ws Married Male 28 1883 Hawker Manchester Lancashire
Ellen Kelly Daughter - Female 14 1897 Lining Maker Manchester Lancashire

1901

7, Munday Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Kelly Head Married Male 40 1861 General Labourer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ellen Kelly Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Kelly Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ellen Kelly Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Look for Ellen's birth on the GRO site, where MMN is recorded