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Not necessarily, Maddie. [ EDIT: - but looks like I could be wrong! ]

I know the children's ages are roughly the same, but the father of that family is a Cotton Yarn Winder - not a bootmaker or shoemaker.


As an alternative for Janet and Archibald in 1841, there's this family:

Mrs. Christina Craig
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: Mrs. Christina Craig
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1795
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Leven, Dumbartonshire
Parish Number: 622
Civil Parish: Barony
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 21 Catherine St
Occupation: Dressmaker
ED: 23A
Page: 4
Household schedule number: 11
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1851_142
Household Members:
Name Age
Mrs. Christina Craig 56
Janet Craig 26 - dressmaker
Archa Craig 20 - clerk, bonded and free stores

Barony is where John and Christian/Christina were married, and not far from the Gorbals.

[No, sorry, that's 1851, not 1841 - and it says Archibald was born in Govan.]


Just for the record - though it doesn't prove anything one way or the other - here are that Janet and Archibald in 1861. Jessie is a common diminutive of Janet:

Jessie Craig
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: Jessie Craig
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relationship: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/8
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 20 Dumbarton Rd
Occupation: Dressmaker
ED: 72
Household schedule number: 44
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_109
Household Members:
Name Age
Archd Craig 30 - Govan, clerk ("communion" trade )
Jessie Craig 36

Thank you all so much, so much to go through.
I didn't make a note of where I found John in an institution - silly me - and now I can't find him. I do remember that there were two John Craig's there though. I'll keep looking.

Sorry, couldn't find John in the institution in 1881 because I got it wrong - it was in the 1891 census, not 1881. There is a John Craig, widower, general labourer age 64 and a John Craig, widower, carter, age 61, both born in Liverpool. Looks like it's the workhouse.

For our reference:

John Craig
in the 1891 England Census
Name: John Craig
Gender: Male
Age: 64
Relationship: Pauper
Birth Year: 1827
Birth Place: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Walton
Ecclesiastical parish: Walton St Mary
Residence Place: Walton, Walton, Lancashire, England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Walton
ED, Institution or Vessel: West Derby Union Workhouse (1)
Neighbors:
Piece: 2981
Folio: 50
Household Members:
Name Age

John Craig 64 - pauper, carter
John Craig 61 - pauper, general labourer
(and many other paupers)


I would be inclined to think that neither of these is your man, as both were apparently born in Liverpool.
On the other hand, I can't see either of them convincingly in 1881.

I think I tend to agree with you as neither occupation really works ... John was always down as a brass founder.

Going through all this info, just wanted to check something. Safc, you found the marriage of John Craig to Elizabeth Guest in 1949 but birth of daughter Frances was in 1846, so is that possible/probable? Everything else seems to fit.

hi yvonne

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Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1846
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
GUEST Frances Amelia GUEST 1846 Market Street Archives+, Manchester Central Library MST/16/18

frances guest i think is elizabeths child as she is born a guest
if she was johns child i think she would of been registered craig not guest
and john took her on when he married elizabeth guest

after lock down is over buy the birth cert

I guess I hadn't looked closely enough at that, it does make sense. Certificate seems the way to go, when the lock down is over. I can't even get on the gro site now to check on an order I placed before the lock down … hopefully this craziness will end soon.

Thanks.

Births Mar 1846
Guest Frances Amelia Manchester 20 813

You should be able to order via the GRO site now, quoting the reference above.

As an experiment I've gone through the order process for Frances's birth cert, right up to where I would have had to pay, and there was nothing to suggest that I wouldn't have been able to place the order.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/app_select.asp


Scottish certs on SP are not obtainable during this lockdown period, but English and Welsh ones on GRO seem unaffected.

Thanks for checking that, but for some reason it was the actual gro site I couldn’t get into. For two days every time I tried to open it it just told me there was an error. I’ve just tried it now after reading your post and it seems to be okay. I’ve no idea what the problem was but it seems to be okay now. They are still working but much slower than usual. I ordered a certificate in PDF a while ago and I’m still waiting ... they’re usually pretty quick.