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I am trying to confirm a marriage between William Johnson and Jane? in 1848 in Greenwich. I applied to GRO but they could find no record. Jane was born in Ireland in 1819. I do not have her surname. Please help.

Do you know who William's father was please?

Was William born in Greenwich and have you found them on any of the census.?

Found them.

1861

Name: William Johnson
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Johnson
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 303
Piece: 404
Folio: 46
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
William Johnson 43
Jane Johnson 42
Frederick Johnson 13
William Johnson 11
Hannah Johnson 9
Thomas Johnson 3
Martha Johnson 7/12
Harris Green 35

Hi Anne

Just wondering how you know they married in 1848?

More details on their family(s) would help

is this the family 1881 ???? but Jane born Greenwich

William Johnson
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name: William Johnson
Age (Original): 63
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1818
Birthplace: Greenwich, Kent, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Pensioner (Chelsea)
Address: 6 Maryon Rd
Event Place: Charlton Next Woolwich, Kent, England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 740 / 41
Page Number: 28
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
William Johnson Head M 63 Greenwich, Kent, England
Jane Johnson Wife F 62 Greenwich, Kent, England
Thomas Johnson Son M 23 Woolwich, Kent, England
Martha Johnson Daughter F 20 Woolwich, Kent, England

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NAME: William James Johnson
RECORD TYPE: Baptism
BAPTISM DATE: 16 Feb 1818
FATHER'S NAME: William Johnson
MOTHER'S NAME: Hannah Johnson
PARISH OR POOR LAW UNION: Greenwich St Alphege
BOROUGH: Greenwich
REGISTER TYPE: Parish Registers

If the births of any of the children were registered, Jane's maiden name will be on the cert(s)

If, as you think, Jane was born in Ireland, and (from the census record) her husband had obviously been in the forces, the marriage could have taken place in Ireland

Looking at the childrens ages on the 1861 census it may have been a second marriage. You need to buy a birth cert of one of the children to find the mother maiden name if we can't find a marriage.

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Canterbury Marriages Transcription

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First name(s) William
Last name Johnson
Marriage year 1845
Marriage day 25
Marriage month Dec
Place Dover, St Mary the Virgin
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Farmar
Groom's father's first name(s) Richard
Groom's father's last name Johnson
Bride's age Full Age
Bride's father's first name(s) Thomas
Bride's father's last name Farmar
County Kent
Country England
Archive reference U3/30/1/32
Year range 1843-1848
Page 138
Record set Canterbury Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Maddie I was looking at that bap for William James Johnson.

As there was a child to William called Hannah I thought it quite likely.

A copy of this should give you what you want

Births Dec 1860 (>99%)
Johnson Martha Greenwich 1d 626

Frederick seems to be the first child born in Northumberland in 1848.

On the 1861 census William and Hannah were both born in Ireland. Perhaps thats why I can't find them on the 1851 census.

What is wrong with GR's clock?

How can we be posting at 8pm today, when the time is actually 11.47am???????

Name: Fredrick Johnson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Dec 1847
Christening Place: St. Andrew's, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Johnson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Jane Johnson
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00595-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 847924
Reference ID: v 2 p 105



Citing this Record:
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSJ6-WRQ : accessed 30 January 2015), Fredrick Johnson, 26 Dec 1847; citing Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England, reference v 2 p 105; FHL microfilm 847,924.

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First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name JOHNSON
Birth year 1818
Birth parish GREENWICH
Birth town GREENWICH
Birth county KENT
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 140
Rank STAFF SERGEANT & WHEELER
Regiment Royal Horse & Field Artillery
Document Type Discharge
Attestation year 1837
Attestation Day 16
Attestation Month 8
Attestation age years 19
Attestation age months -
Discharge Corps ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY
Discharge service number 140
Series chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 1329
Box Record Number 49
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd

he was a wheelwright on joining, discharged 1858

He changed his job a lot did William

1871

Name: William Johnson
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Johnson
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 226
Piece: 776
Folio: 46
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
William Johnson 53 OCC FOREMAN ROYAL ARSENAL
Jane Johnson 52
Hannah Johnson 18
Thomas Johnson 13
Martha Johnson 11

I did find most of the census records that are mentioned above. William was a career solider. He joined the Royal Horse Artillery and reached the rank of Sergeant. He was a wheelwright.. He served in a lot of different places including Ireland and the Crimea and I believe he finished his service at Woolwich Arsenal.

Working on the information you provided I have found a baptism record. 28.4.1818, for a Jane Farmer in Kilshannig by Mallow in Cork, father George mother Jane, but again no marriage for Jane and William.

As you suggest I have applied for a birth certificate for Frederick Johnson, their eldest son who was born in Newcastle in about 1847.

Many thanks for your help. I am very grateful.

Anne

I would say you really need that birth cert that Jacqueline put up for Martha. Then we could possible find the marriage.

There is one here in Northumberland with a father's name of William for a William Johnson and Jane Snowball.

Name: William Johnson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 14 May 1840
Marriage Place: Haltwhistle,Northumberland,England
Father: William Johnson
Spouse: Jane Snowball
FHL Film Number: 252510, 252514


They seemed to move around a lot so the marriage could have been anywhere or even in Ireland as Jane was from there.

You need the birth cert.

The marriage date could be before 1848 ...

Some baptisms:-
Jane. Bp 13 Apr 1845 at St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich. bn 21 Mar 1845. addr: Mulgrave Place. Occ: Wheeler, RHA

Thomas. Bp. 2 Aug 1857 at St Alphege, Greenwich. bn. 13 Jun 1857. addr: Mulgrave Place, Woolwich. Occ: Corporal RHA.

Martha. bp 4 Oct 1860 at St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich. bn. Oct 1860. addr: 37 George Place. Occ: wheelwright.

I also spotted these two but I'm not sure - mainly because of the occupation - William here shows as a lighterman.
William (bn 3 Oct 1851) and Richard (bn 6 Feb 1854) both baptised on 22 Apr 1855. Addr: 18 Marigold Street. Father shows as William Francis Johnson.

Cannot find Frederick (1848), William (1851) (assuming he is not as above) and Hannah (1852) on the London baptisms on Ancestry.

Jill