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Re messages back in January, I have now received the Birth Certificate for Martha Johnson.

DOB 20.09.1860 at 37 George Place, Woolwich
Father : William Johnson - Pensioner, Royal Horse Artillery
Mother: Jane Johnson, formerly Dee
Registered : 25.101860 Greenwich, sub-district Woolwich Dock Yard.

Anne

Heard from GRO. They can trace no birth for Frederick Johnson in Newcastle in 1847. I'm waiting for the Birth Certificate for Martha born 1860. Will let you know.

Anne

I have found out the Battles that he might have been involved in. The Crimean War was between 1853 and 1856 and the battles are Alma, Balaclava (he served under Lord Lucan), Inkerman, Kurekdem and Sebastopol. I think the dates of the battles coincide with a break in the birth of the children.

Anne

Hi Anne

Not sure about Ireland being "abroad". More likely the time he was abroad was in those battles - Sebastapol etc. Worth checking the dates and what other battles happened around that time. That would help identify the one that I couldn't read. It may be that he was aborad when there is a gap of three or four years between children.

I hope you took the advice about getting the one which is most likely to be relevant

Thanks for the information. His service record states he served abroad. would Ireland be classed as abroad even though it was part of the UK at that time?

I will certainly let you know when I receive the birth certificate.

Best wishes

Anne

Purely speculative, a possibility for a marriage in Ireland?


Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958

NAME: William Johnson<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
DATE OF REGISTRATION: 1846
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Armagh
VOLUME: 1
PAGE NUMBER: 261
FHL FILM NUMBER: 101241

RECORDS ON PAGE:
NAME
Jane Mitchell<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jane Cunningham<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Joseph Robinson
John McCallister
William Johnson
Anne Hodge
Eliza Devlin Donnelly
Joseph Freeland

Possible births for William and Hannah?


GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 to 1924)

First name(s) WILLIAM J
Last name JOHNSON
Birth year 1850
Place DUBLIN
Country IRELAND
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 to 1924)
Volume R.A.29
Page 104
Record set British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005



GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 to 1924)

First name(s) HANNAH
Last name JOHNSON
Birth year 1852
Place -
Country -
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 to 1924)
Volume R.A.29
Page 108
Record set British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005

and Frederick?

First name(s) FREDERICK
Last name JOHNSON
Birth year 1847
Place -
Country -
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 to 1924)
Volume R.A.29
Page 101
Record set British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Missed a bit ... Served abroad for 2.5 years.
Record also states that he was born in Greenwich.

I did my best to read through his army record on Ancestry, I struggled with some of the place names. It doesn't seem to be a complete record just his discharge papers.

"He was with the expedition to the East for 2.5 years and was present at the battles of Alma Balaclava ,,, Ker..arry(?) and siege of Sebastapol. He wears a medal for service in the Crimea with clasps for Alma Balaclava InKernea…(?) and Sebastapol.

His service has been exemplary. He was in possession of 4 good conduct badges when promoted to the rank of Sergeant Wheeler.
He wears a silver medal for distinguished service in the field and will receive a gratuity of £10 on discharge.
He wears a silver medal for long service and good conduct and will receive a gratuity of £10 on discharge.
There is 1 record against him in the Regimental Defaulters Book punished summarily.
[He left the service as he was disabled due to chronic rheumatism. Pains in his left side. So he was declared medically unfit for service.]
He was 5ft 6.5ins. Fair complexion. Brown hair. Hazel eyes."

Jill

Jane Snowball - what a fabulous name!

If the baptism is right for William in Greenwich his fathers name was William on that.

The marriage to Jane Farmar has his father as a Richard.

It's just a thought but once you have the birth cert please let us know the outcome.

Thanks Mel

The marriage date could be before 1848 ...

Some baptisms:-
Jane. Bp 13 Apr 1845 at St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich. bn 21 Mar 1845. addr: Mulgrave Place. Occ: Wheeler, RHA

Thomas. Bp. 2 Aug 1857 at St Alphege, Greenwich. bn. 13 Jun 1857. addr: Mulgrave Place, Woolwich. Occ: Corporal RHA.

Martha. bp 4 Oct 1860 at St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich. bn. Oct 1860. addr: 37 George Place. Occ: wheelwright.

I also spotted these two but I'm not sure - mainly because of the occupation - William here shows as a lighterman.
William (bn 3 Oct 1851) and Richard (bn 6 Feb 1854) both baptised on 22 Apr 1855. Addr: 18 Marigold Street. Father shows as William Francis Johnson.

Cannot find Frederick (1848), William (1851) (assuming he is not as above) and Hannah (1852) on the London baptisms on Ancestry.

Jill

I would say you really need that birth cert that Jacqueline put up for Martha. Then we could possible find the marriage.

There is one here in Northumberland with a father's name of William for a William Johnson and Jane Snowball.

Name: William Johnson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 14 May 1840
Marriage Place: Haltwhistle,Northumberland,England
Father: William Johnson
Spouse: Jane Snowball
FHL Film Number: 252510, 252514


They seemed to move around a lot so the marriage could have been anywhere or even in Ireland as Jane was from there.

You need the birth cert.

I did find most of the census records that are mentioned above. William was a career solider. He joined the Royal Horse Artillery and reached the rank of Sergeant. He was a wheelwright.. He served in a lot of different places including Ireland and the Crimea and I believe he finished his service at Woolwich Arsenal.

Working on the information you provided I have found a baptism record. 28.4.1818, for a Jane Farmer in Kilshannig by Mallow in Cork, father George mother Jane, but again no marriage for Jane and William.

As you suggest I have applied for a birth certificate for Frederick Johnson, their eldest son who was born in Newcastle in about 1847.

Many thanks for your help. I am very grateful.

Anne

1871

Name: William Johnson
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Johnson
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 226
Piece: 776
Folio: 46
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
William Johnson 53 OCC FOREMAN ROYAL ARSENAL
Jane Johnson 52
Hannah Johnson 18
Thomas Johnson 13
Martha Johnson 11

He changed his job a lot did William

?????
First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name JOHNSON
Birth year 1818
Birth parish GREENWICH
Birth town GREENWICH
Birth county KENT
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 140
Rank STAFF SERGEANT & WHEELER
Regiment Royal Horse & Field Artillery
Document Type Discharge
Attestation year 1837
Attestation Day 16
Attestation Month 8
Attestation age years 19
Attestation age months -
Discharge Corps ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY
Discharge service number 140
Series chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 1329
Box Record Number 49
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd

he was a wheelwright on joining, discharged 1858

Name: Fredrick Johnson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Dec 1847
Christening Place: St. Andrew's, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Johnson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Jane Johnson
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00595-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 847924
Reference ID: v 2 p 105



Citing this Record:
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSJ6-WRQ : accessed 30 January 2015), Fredrick Johnson, 26 Dec 1847; citing Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England, reference v 2 p 105; FHL microfilm 847,924.

What is wrong with GR's clock?

How can we be posting at 8pm today, when the time is actually 11.47am???????

Frederick seems to be the first child born in Northumberland in 1848.

On the 1861 census William and Hannah were both born in Ireland. Perhaps thats why I can't find them on the 1851 census.