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Would like some help trying to find a marriage for William Lloyd born Birmingham 1841 and Mary Ann ? born 1854 Ledbury/Upton on Severn 1854. First child William born Middleton Lancs 1873 then Henry Lloyd 1878 Sheffield. Samuel Lloyd born 1889 Plymouth married Florence MJ Knight 1924 East Stonehouse. Trying to find her parents and whether they had children. Any help much appreciated.

Lancs bmd sometimes gives mmn, but I can't see a birth for William in 1873 Middleton (Oldham or Rochdale reg districts) - where have you got his birth details please?

If you get the birth certificate for William or Henry or Samuel it will have Mary's maiden name on it. to help in finding marriage.
Have you looked on free bmd?

For ref:
1891 England Census
Mary A Llyod [Mary A Lloyd]
Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head Gender: Female
Where born: Worcestershire, England Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Plymouth County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Condition as to marriage: widowed
Registration district: Plymouth Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Piece: 1734 Folio: 48 Page Number: 21
Mary A Llyod 38 hawker
William Llyod 18 soldier Middleton
Henry Llyod 13 Sheffield
Ellen Llyod 11 Sheffield
John Llyod 8 Plymouth
Ruth Llyod 6
Margaret Llyod 3
Samuel Llyod 1
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1734; Folio: 48; Page: 21; GSU roll: 6096844.

I think it must have been from a subsequent census probably 1881. Yes looked on free bmd nothing came up.

Yes thats them. I think father William Died in 1890. Where many children still at home in the 1900 census?

Is this them in 1881?

William Lloyd
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Lloyd
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Lloyd
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester

Civil parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 9 CT 1 H. Lambert Street
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4644
Folio: 67
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
William Lloyd 40
Mary Ann Lloyd 30
William Lloyd 8 <<born Manchester
Harry Lloyd 2 <<<Born Sheffield
Ellen Lloyd << 8 months born Sheffield

Yes That must be them. Thanks. What was the fathers occupation?

In 1881 he was a pedlar. Thnk this may be them in 1901:

Mary Ann Lloyd
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ledbury, Herefordshire, England

Civil parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 2101
Folio: 8
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Lloyd 47
John Lloyd 17
Ruth Lloyd 16
Samuel Lloyd 12

Because of the different birth places and the common names I think you definitely need the birth certificate of one of the children to work out the parents' marriage details.

If you cannot find the marriage, how do you know that William was the oldest child?

Your right! I dont know he was the oldest child. Mary had 12 children according to the 1911 census. Only ten names accounted for!

Is this Florence's death - is so, she may have been a widow when she married Samuel:

Florence M J Lloyd
Birth Date: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1947
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Plympton
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 7a
Page: 670

Gosh. That looks as if it might be her. Brilliant! Many thanks!!!

?
Births Sep 1879
Baker Florence Mary J Plymouth 5b 253
Births Mar 1880
Holberton Florence Mary J Plymouth 5b 247
Births Sep 1881
Hockaday Florence Mary J Plymouth
Births Jun 1882
McKnight Florence Mary J E. Stonehouse 5b 313

McKnight becoming Knight?

The McKnight looks promising Patchem!

Could be!

Have you got any birth information for Samuel and Florence's children?

Sadly no! Dont know if they had children. If she is the above she would have been 42 when they married! Dont think ill get any further without the marriage certificate.

Which of the family is your ancestor - ie who have you worked back from?

Think this might be Florence Mary as Mary, but could be totally unrelated:
1891 England Census
William McKnight Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary J McKnight
Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: East Stonehouse Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Plymouth County/Island: Devon Country: England
Registration district: East Stonehouse Sub-registration district: East Stonehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Piece: 1738 Folio: 11 Page Number: 16
William McKnight 38
Mary J McKnight 36
Frederick W S McKnight 13
Mary J S McKnight 9
Caroline E McKnight 5/12
Francis Sobey 29
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1738; Folio: 11; Page: 16; GSU roll: 6096848.

Added:
This is probably wrong, see later post by Flip.
So certificates required.