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They were sisters. Not sure where they were born but Edith is reported as being born circ 1901 with their father being John Randolp Brooks. But cannot find any trace on census' etc. Edith eventually made home in Maidenhead, Berks with John Scrase and Gertrude was in Tontine Lane, Caerau, Merther with Charlie Wheeler and 3 children (twins plus Stella who emigrated to States)
Any help appreciated.
Ruth Stringer

Who was their mother please?

Were they from Devonshire?

Dea x

I've found a John Randolph Brook born 1860, married 1884.

Could this possibly be him?

Births Jun 1860
BROOK John Randolph St George S 1d 114

Marriages Sep 1884
BROOK John Randolph Greenwich 1d 14[380]7

Can't get to marriage yet cos of dodgy number/link

ADDED spouses were Emma Fox or Sarah Jane Grant for this marriage

Hello Ruth, do you happen to know when and where Edith and Gertrude died?

Their death records may help us with birth years to work from.

A possible baptism for JR:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: John Randolph Brook
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: Mar 14 1860
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1863
Father's Name: John Brook
Mother's Name: Harriet Brook
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Also baptised same day was a brother Samuel, born 1 July 1962

And did they have middle names?

Here you go Janice:

BROOK John Randolph Greenwich.1d 1407 3 1884
BROOKE John Randolph Greenwich.1d 1407 3 1884

GRANT Sarah Jane Greenwich.1d 1407 3 1884

Dea x

Thanks Dea :-D

Is anyone having any success with the censuses?

I am very tempted by this birth as John's mother is a Harriet

Births Jun 1885
Brook Edith Harriet Greenwich 1d 965

although it's a bit far from Ruth's guestimate.

Just going to look for her in a census.

No Janice, finding nowt yet - too many permutations of John Brook (e/s) especially if he didn't use his middle name.

What do you think of this one MC?

Name: Edith H Brook
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah J Brook
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
Town: Deptford
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 495
Folio: 100
Page Number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah J Brook 32 widow
Edith H Brook 7

Right, a tree on Ancestry purports this to be the death of Edith:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Edith May Radford
Birth Date: 25 Jan 1901
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1979
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Windsor
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19
Page: 0770

Apparently she remarried after the death of John ScraCe.

Sorry Janice - hadn't refreshed page.

Good - so she's Edith May! That should help - we might sort the surname too!

hehe! nothing resembling brook/e/s :-)



Can't find marriage to Radford either!

I can find the one to Radford, it's the one to Scrase/Scrace that I'm stumped on.

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Edith M Scrace
Spouse Surname: Radford
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1948
Registration district: Maidenhead
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 115

According to the death record I found for John Scrace he was a lot older than Edith:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: John F Scrace
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1945
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Maidenhead
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 652

I've found Wheeler twins born in Merthyr :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Births Mar 1932
Wheeler Iris Jones Merthyr T. 11a 1061
Wheeler Kenneth Jones Merthyr T. 11a 1061

I know it isn't Brooks but maybe the parents didn't marry and I've got the wrong John Randolph :-(

Edith was my grandmother and my grandfather was John Scrace/Scrase. John Scrace died around 1945 and Edith died in 1979 after marrying William Radford. I have this much info... Nan was very quiet about her past and none of her 4 children were told hardly anything depsite asking once or twice but they were told to leave alone. She was around 30 years younger than my Grandfather. We only have her word to go by on information, this being her name was Edith May and she was born in 1901. The only Edith May born in that year was in Yately - this cannot be her as she had a sister called Gertrude plus one other (possibly Dottie). My father remembered Gert living in Tontine Lane / Caerau / Mysteg and that she married Charlie Williams / Wheeler with the twins and Stella. Stella definately went to the States and was there in the late 60's-70's. That is everything we know. The confusion comes as we are not sure what to believe. I have tonight found a census in 1901 and 1911 for Edith Brooks then Brook with Gertrude and John being family members in Okehampton. The large family and her Dad being an employer fits my nans story of being well looked after. My grandfather was living with his first wife in 1911 census in Sussex. They must have broken up before 1920 as Edith and John had their first child, my uncle in 1921 in Maidenhead.Why the move and the age gap I do not know.

Ruth - do you know the names of the twins?

Hi
Not sure - waiting for uncles and aunts to remember!
:-S