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How you getting on MC?

At least Scrace in Sussex is a tad easier than Williams in Cardiff lol! (and we don't know for definite it is Williams )

Ruth - there are two John Scrase of the right age in Sussex on the 1911 - could you say which is the right one?

Reason for asking is that I'm trying to find the marriage for him and Edith May but failing. If I can find the death of his first wife then it might help. Of course, they might not have actually married .......

Could these be the twins?

1st quarter 1922

Williams Thomas F Brook Cardiff 11a 960
Williams Philip S Brook Cardiff 11a 961


Are we in the right area datewise? No sign of a Stella though. Is she definitely a Stella?

Caerau comes under Cardiff not Merthyr so that might help us :-)

Just found this which you might enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuZ4OxNfpa4

There are 6 Scrace - Brooks births in Maidenead going from 1921 to 1947!

What's happening there then??????

EDIT William died so that makes 5. Why is there one born after John dies? Is she really a Radford but it was before the marriage?

lol! What about whether they were boys/girls/one of each?

Hi
Not sure - waiting for uncles and aunts to remember!
:-S

Ruth - do you know the names of the twins?

Edith was my grandmother and my grandfather was John Scrace/Scrase. John Scrace died around 1945 and Edith died in 1979 after marrying William Radford. I have this much info... Nan was very quiet about her past and none of her 4 children were told hardly anything depsite asking once or twice but they were told to leave alone. She was around 30 years younger than my Grandfather. We only have her word to go by on information, this being her name was Edith May and she was born in 1901. The only Edith May born in that year was in Yately - this cannot be her as she had a sister called Gertrude plus one other (possibly Dottie). My father remembered Gert living in Tontine Lane / Caerau / Mysteg and that she married Charlie Williams / Wheeler with the twins and Stella. Stella definately went to the States and was there in the late 60's-70's. That is everything we know. The confusion comes as we are not sure what to believe. I have tonight found a census in 1901 and 1911 for Edith Brooks then Brook with Gertrude and John being family members in Okehampton. The large family and her Dad being an employer fits my nans story of being well looked after. My grandfather was living with his first wife in 1911 census in Sussex. They must have broken up before 1920 as Edith and John had their first child, my uncle in 1921 in Maidenhead.Why the move and the age gap I do not know.

I've found Wheeler twins born in Merthyr :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Births Mar 1932
Wheeler Iris Jones Merthyr T. 11a 1061
Wheeler Kenneth Jones Merthyr T. 11a 1061

I know it isn't Brooks but maybe the parents didn't marry and I've got the wrong John Randolph :-(

I can find the one to Radford, it's the one to Scrase/Scrace that I'm stumped on.

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Edith M Scrace
Spouse Surname: Radford
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1948
Registration district: Maidenhead
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 115

According to the death record I found for John Scrace he was a lot older than Edith:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: John F Scrace
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1945
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Maidenhead
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 652

hehe! nothing resembling brook/e/s :-)



Can't find marriage to Radford either!

Good - so she's Edith May! That should help - we might sort the surname too!

Right, a tree on Ancestry purports this to be the death of Edith:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Edith May Radford
Birth Date: 25 Jan 1901
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1979
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Windsor
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19
Page: 0770

Apparently she remarried after the death of John ScraCe.

Sorry Janice - hadn't refreshed page.

What do you think of this one MC?

Name: Edith H Brook
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah J Brook
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
Town: Deptford
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 495
Folio: 100
Page Number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah J Brook 32 widow
Edith H Brook 7

No Janice, finding nowt yet - too many permutations of John Brook (e/s) especially if he didn't use his middle name.

I am very tempted by this birth as John's mother is a Harriet

Births Jun 1885
Brook Edith Harriet Greenwich 1d 965

although it's a bit far from Ruth's guestimate.

Just going to look for her in a census.

Is anyone having any success with the censuses?

Thanks Dea :-D