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Hello all,

My great grandmother is Rose Florence Caporn Walker, born 26 November 1879 at St Martin Birmingham.

I am trying to find her father. Rose's birth certificate has mother as Sarah Jane Walker formerly White, profession Dressmaker. No father is given on Rose's birth certificate.

Rose's marriage certicate states father is John Walker, profession Dairyman. I cannot find a marriage between John Walker and Sarah Jane White. I suspect that he is not really the father.

Can anybody help by checking for a baptism record for Rose - perhaps the father is stated there?

I wonder if Rose's father's name might be Caporn, since this seems like an usual given name.

Thanks in advance for any help :-)

Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
Churchill John Birmingham 6d 265
PHILLPOTT Emma Birmingham 6d 265
Walker John Birmingham 6d 265 xxxxxxx
White Sarah Jane Birmingham 6d 265 xxxxxx

Wow thanks, you found the marriage record! I couldn't find it but I think that is because of the website I was using (not sure I am allowed to say the name of the site :-) ). That is a lesson learned for me - always try these searches on different websites.

There is still the mystery of why John Walker is not named on Rose's birth certificate though.

Thanks again
Dan

1881 England Census
about Rose Walker
Name: Rose Walker
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah Jane Walker
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 22 Nelson St Sth
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2981
Folio: 37
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Jane Walker 26 (Married) Dressmaker
Lillie Walker 6
Rose Walker 1

could this be possible for rose and her mother


1901 Census Household Record Household information
Address 74 Cox St West
Civil Parish Balsall Heath
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Thomas
Parliamentary Borough or Division Edgebaston
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Birmingham
Administrative County Birmingham

Householder 1
Name George Richardson
Relation to Head of Family Visitor
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 36
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Horse Driver 
Employment Status
Where Born Birmingham
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Harry Walker
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 5
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Birmingham
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Rosa Walker
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 21
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Pen Slitter
Employment Status
Where Born Birmingham
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name Sarah J Walker
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widow
Age Last Birthday 45
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Dressmaker
Employment Status
Where Born Coventry
Language
Infirmity

hi dan
try here
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

1891 Census Household Record Household information
Address 74, Cox Street West
Parish Kings Norton
District Kings Norton, Kings Norton
Administrative County Worcestershire

Householder 1
Name Jane Walker
Age 37
Estimated Year of Birth 1854
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Dress Maker
Birth Place Coventry
Birth County Warwickshire

Householder 2
Name Lillie Walker
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Tailoress
Birth Place Birmingham
Birth County Warwickshire

Householder 3
Name Rosa Walker
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1880
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Birmingham
Birth County Warwickshire

Thanks for all the replies :-)

PricklyHolly and PollyPoppet, yes those records are for Rose and her mother Sarah Jane, I also came across those records during my searches. John Walker is not mentioned on those records, so I am not sure what happened to him.

safc - thanks for the website link

It states Jane (Sarah) is married on the 1891....perhaps John was away at sea.

Hi PricklyHolly,

do you think I am reading too much into the fact that there is no father on Rose's birth certificate? Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that means that Rose is likely to be illegitimate?

Thanks

possible for mother

1911 Census Household Record Household information
Address 25 Silver St Coventry
Parish Coventry
Town Coventry
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 4
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN18548 RG78PN1111 RD390 SD2 ED10 SN78
Administrative County Warwickshire
Registration District Coventry
Registration Sub District Holy Trinity
Enumeration District 10
Householder 1
Name Sarah Jane Walker
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender F
Age 58
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Occupation Dressmaker
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Place of Birth Coventry Trinity Parish
Nationality English

It states she is a widow on the 1901.

It is odd that Rose's Father is not on the birth certificate.

The 1911 census posted for Sarah Jane above says on original no children born to her.

Maryb

puzzled rose florence Caporn

father john walker

mother sarah jane white ..


well wouldnt her name be walker not caporn

unless mother had broken up with john and had an affair with someone caporn ?????????????

The 1881 and 1891 censuses have Lillie Walker, born 1875. Interesting to see how she fits in, as born before that marriage, so how was she registered?

Hi Patchem,

That's a good question, I don't have the birth certificate for Lillie Walker, or any other information apart from the 1881 and 1891 censuses.

I found a birth for Lilian Walker but it turned out to be somebody different. I will keep searching for more information about Lillie - its tricky without knowning what Lillie is short for.

Hi maryb,

"The 1911 census posted for Sarah Jane above says on original no children born to her."

It says "NONE", but this is crossed out with a red line

Hi Dan

Just to say that a Widow or Widower was not supposed to fill in the details about children in the 1911 census.

If they did, it was crossed out by the enumerator.

Here is an example..........look up Archibald Luck born 1900...he is in Southampton.

Very odd that Sarah put..........."None".

1901 with Sarah Jane is Harry Walker 1896 says son of Sarah Jane??

Do you know anything about him or what happened to Lillie?

Maryb

Hi PricklyHolly,

Thanks very much for the info - I looked at the 1911 census record for Archibald Luck and I see what you mean.

I am pretty sure the 1911 census record is the same Sarah Jane Walker, as the age, profession, and birthplace all fit. As you say it is very odd - perhaps she just made a mistake on the census form?