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1861 census transcription details for: 12, Cornick Street, Manchester
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2930
Folio: 61
Page: 42
Reg. District: Manchester
Sub District: 1 Ancoats
Parish: Manchester
Enum. District: 19
Ecclesiastical District: St Barnabas
City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 12, Cornick Street, Manchester
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TURNER, Thomas Head Married M 27 1834 Machinist
Manchester
TURNER, Sarah A Wife Married F 28 1833
Manchester
TURNER, James Son M 5 1856 Scholar
Manchester
TURNER, Hannah Daughter F 4 1857
Manchester

The 61 census isn't them as they had Sarah ann, Mary Jane thomas & Joseph by then

I was wondering about the 51 census though as in the 71 Census their is a John Turner living a couple of houses away "Brothers" they did seem to live near each other in those days??

The only thing is he was supposed to be 25 in 1853 ?? not 19/20

I am curious about this one but don't have time to follow it through just at the moment so I will post it, just in case??

1861:
TURNER, Thomas Head Married M 33 1828 Tailor Whitehaven, Cumberland
TURNER, Sarah Wife Married F 35 1826 Loppington, Shropshire
TURNER, Mary Daughter F 4 1857 ...Manchester
TURNER, Hannah Daughter F 2 1859 ...Manchester
Piece: 3814
Folio: 37
Page: 67
Registration District: Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
Civil Parish: St Johns Westgate
Municipal Borough: Newcastle upon Tyne
Address: 27, Sunderland Street, St Johns Westgate, Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland

May be worth a look, if only to discount?

Will check back in a little while.

Dea Xxx

Are you sure you have the correct ones on 1871??

On the marriage you have, Thomas is a Tailor but on 1871 he is a 'Cotton Spinner ??? - This is a bit of a 'step down' don't you think??, AND the wife's age is not right ??

Dea Xxx

Which of their children connects down through to your family please?

Dea x

Can you have another look at that marriage cert please and see if Thomas's father Thomas could have been a 'Cordwainer' rather than a 'cord spinner ???

Dea x

Hi Dea

Unfortunatly I haven't got the certificate !! I got this info when I'd just started doing my tree and I went to Manchester library and copied it

I've always had the feeling something wasn't quite right with the Tailor bit

My line follows their son Thomas 1859 who married Mary Ellen Crosby in 1878

Thomas Turner 19 Sawyer Father Thomas spinner of 8 nuns Sq Hulme
Mary Ellen Crosby 19 father Henry Crosby Chimney sweep WIT:- Joseph Turner 7 Mary ann Turner

Sylvia

I have a very strong feeling that the marriage you have for Thomas to Sarah Price is the family I have posted from 1861 and so NOT the marriage that you want.

I will take a further look.

Dea x

When I was looking for the marriage their was 2

I went for the one I did as the other Thomas was older

this is the other one

Thomas Turner 52 widower mill worker father Elias a weaver

married Sarah Davis 36 father Robert Labourer


This is my Maternal side and my grandfather was killed in WW1 so all i had to go on was his marriage certificate

Joseph Turner 20?? Bachelor Labourer in Iron Works father Thomas Turner Farm Labourer Deceased
Catherine Kelly 20?? Spinster father James Joseph Kelly Deceased labourer in iron works they married 5/8/1907 Chorlton registrar

In 1911 he had a brother john living with them

I think the ages for both of them were a bit out

is this the 1911 for Joseph and Catherine ?

1911

Reg. District: Chorlton
Sub District: Chorlton upon Medlock
Parish: South Manchester
Enum. District: 3
Address: 23 Whitfiled St Chorlton - on - Medlock Manchester
County: Lancashire


TURNER, Joseph Head Married M 23 1888 Hawker Of Pots Lancashire Manchester
TURNER, Catherine Wife Married
3 years F 23 1888 Lancashire Manchester
TURNER, Annie Daughter F 2 1909 Lancashire Manchester
TURNER, Martha Daughter F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Lancashire Manchester
TURNER, John W Brother Single M 19 1892 General Labour At Warehouse At Bleach Works Lancashire Manchester
NURTNEY, Martha Boarder Single F 19 1892 Test Cutter Lancashire Manchester

Yes that is the right one

The reason I say about the ages is my gran died in 1966 aged 83 which puts her date of birth 1883

Joseph's age could be right ??

I have that Joseph And John W Turner's mother remarried William Cannon in 1900

could this be the right family ?

1891

RG number: RG12
Piece: 3239
Folio: 76
Page: 22
Reg. District: Manchester
Sub District: Central
Parish: Manchester
Enum. District: 24
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrew
City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 19, Nuns Square, Manchester
County: Lancashire


TURNER, Thomas Head Married M 34 1857 Chimney Sweeper
Manchester
TURNER, Mary Ellen Wife Married F 34 1857 House Keeper
Manchester
TURNER, Thomas Son M 12 1879 Newsboy
Manchester
TURNER, William Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Manchester
TURNER, Sarah Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Manchester
TURNER, Harriet Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar
Manchester
>>>>>TURNER, Joseph Son M 3 1888
Manchester
TURNER, Elizabeth A Daughter F 1 1890
Manchester



1901

RG number: RG13
Piece: 3747
Folio: 145
Page: 34
Reg. District: Manchester
Sub District: Central
Parish: Manchester
Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrews
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Heyrod Street, Manchester
County: Lancashire



CANNON, William Head Married M 38 1863 Labourer (Gen)
Manchester
CANNON, Mary E Wife Married F 40 1861
Manchester
>>>>>TURNER, John Son M 10 1891
Manchester
CANNON, Robert Son M 5 1896
Manchester

Those are the ones I've been going off

1901 their is a Joseph at a school for boys

But when joseph got married he put his fathers occupation down as farm labourer I supose being a chimney sweep got too much.

Found the copy of Joseph's WW1 buriel he died in 1917 aged 28 so his Date of birth would be about 1888

Got to go out


Back tomorrow I think I'm going to have to start again from Joseph 1888 & his brother John 1891

Make sure I have the right marriage for thomas and Sarah

Thank you

So, if that is the same Mary E in 1891 and 1901 - where are all her children ???

Dea Xxx

this is the link to the parish reg for THomas & MaryAnn Crosby marriage

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12662-50039-37?cc=1788853&wc=MMGS-413:278015883

details as given above by Sylann

Just looking at this again and realising I have found this info before :-(

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1284514?page=0

Sylann, please stick to one thread only when you are looking at the same family or closely related people - It saves duplication of effort for everyone.

Dea x

Sorry

Thanks Dea I couldn't find that thread

I've had problems with my laptop and finished up getting another one
A lot of my info vanished??
I'll have a look at that thread and go from there

I'll mark this as Answered

probably the only relevant post from that other thread re Joseph & Catherine's marriage

"he witnesses were James Cannon & Caroline Charlesworth

on the wedding certificate it has my gran was 20 but this doesn't add up as she was born in 1884
Joseph was killed in WW1 1917 aged 29 so his age does fit with the marriage certificate"

the age on the marriage certificate for Catherine fits with the census of 1911 so is more likely to be right than the age on the death certificate. The person registering the death may not have known her exact age and made a guess. It frequently happened.