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I don't have the certificate for the marriage of James Mead

This is the freebmd entry


Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
HANCOCK Mary St. Austell 5c 170
Mead James St Austell 5c 170
Philp Richard St. Austell 5c 170
Williams Mary St Austell 5c 170

For some reason I have "assumed" that it was Mary Hancock and gone backwards on a Hancock line. I honestly do not know why I made that decision.

I can find births for both Mary Williams and Mary Hancock in St Austell (the registration district for St Stephen's Cornwall which she gives as her birthplace in censuses) that fit time-wise

They had seven children of which six had survived in 1911. However all born before 1906 so no on-line indices show mmm. And I don't have any of the birth certificates.

So before I send for any certificates does anyone have a view on this for me? Any thoughts shared greatly appreciated!!

Jude - could you post that 1911 for us?

EDIT: Is this it?

MEAD, James Head Married19 years M 42 1869 General Labourer Plynton Devon
MEAD, Mary Wife Married19 years F 42 1869 House Duties St Stephen Cornwall
MEAD, Rhoda Daughter Single F 18 1893 Sweet Factory St Stephen Cornwall
MEAD, John Son Single M 16 1895 Haulier Probus Cornwall
MEAD, Emma Daughter Single F 14 1897 School Probus Cornwall
MEAD, Eliza Jane Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Probus Cornwall
MEAD, George Son Single M 9 1902 Newport Mon
MEAD, Gracie Daughter Single F 6 1905 Newport Mon

RG number: RG14 Piece: 31964 Reference: RG14PN31964 RG78PN1840 RD587 SD2 ED5 SN185

Registration District: Newport
Sub District: Newport
Enumeration District: 5
Parish: Newport

Address: 80 Hewertson St Newport Mon County: Monmouthshire

For what it's worth, I think this is so difficult I would send for the marriage cert!
Jan

Is this them 1901?

1901 England Census

Name: Mary Mead
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Mead
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Stephens, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Ladock
Ecclesiastical parish: Ladock
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Truro
Sub-registration district: Probus

James Mead 29
Mary Mead 29
Rhoda M Mead 8
John J Mead 6
Emmie E Mead 4
Eliza J Mead 2

Having looked back in the 1881, none of the Mary Hancocks that fit have St Stephen as their birthplace, whereas there is a Mary Williams that does.

Yes that's them in 1901 and 1911. I will send for the marriage certificate just thought I'd see if anyone had any thoughts while I am waiting for it. There are no clues in any of the children's names to point to either maternal lineage (damned inconsiderate of them I have to say) :-)

I'll wager a nice glass of wine that it's Williams when you get the cert!

Yes MC..... this is the Mary Hancock I plumped for...

Name: Mary Elizabeth H Hancock
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1872
Registration district: St Austell
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 131 (click to see others on page)

but the 1881 census that I plumped for has her in Antony not St Stephens.... :-(

Will let you all know when I have sent for and received the certificate!!

It's Mary Williams.

On the 1891 census Richard Philp (the other groom) is a visitor at the house where Mary Hancock is living.

And on 1901 - Richard's Mary is 'Mary E' which again suggests the 'Hancock' one !

and I think the is this one, NOT the 1872 one you have above:

Births Mar 1868
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Hancock Mary Elizabeth St Austell 5c 134


Dea x

The images for the Cornwall parish registers are available to view on FamilySearch, can't search by name - have to flick through images.

Might be worth a look on there.

This 1891 might just be a coincidence ....

WILLIAMS, Francis Head Single M 39 1852 Farmer & Carrier Roche Cornwall
WILLIAMS, Mary A Mother Widow F 65 1826 St Stephens Cornwall
WILLIAMS, William Brother Widower M 37 1854 China Clay Labourer St Stephens Cornwall
WILLIAMS, Luke Nephew M 13 1878 St Stephens Cornwall
WILLIAMS, Elias Nephew M 10 1881 Scholar St Stephens Cornwall
CROWLE, Jane Servant Single F 29 1862 Domestic Servant St Stephens Cornwall
MEAD, James Servant Single M 19 1872 Farm Servant Plymouth Devonshire

Piece: 1825 Folio: 72 Page: 12 Registration District: 12
Civil Parish: St Stephens in Brannel

Address: High Street, St Stephens In Brannel, Moor Cottage Treveor Carloggus
County: Cornwall

Hmm, there doesn't seem to be a Mary b 1869 with the family in earlier census.

Wow everyone - thanks!!

MC - 1891 census for James is the one I have on my tree :-) as you say maybe coincidental....

Christina - looks like a clincher!

I'm glad in a way because in "Hancock" research I found a will in 1928 of £39000 and wondered why none of it had filtered down to my hubby ha ha :-)

Well here we are seemingly ages later.....I sent for the certificate on Monday 21st and it has arrived today. It has been a huge temptation to pre-empt things but I managed it....so Christina S and MC...Mary Williams it is. MC currently having your wagered glass (or two :-)....

So Mary is 21 years old on the wedding day of 18 January 1892. Father is John Williams Farm Labourer. Living at Churchtown, St Stephens in Branwell.

Mary was a domestic servant at time of marriage. Witnesses were Grace Williams and Emmeline Kent.

For starters here is Emmeline in 1891

Name: Emeline Kent
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Stephens, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Austell
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: St Austell
Sub-registration district: St Austell
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1823
Folio: 85
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert G Lakes 78
Robert R Lakes 44
Sarah E Hodge 42
Grace Williams 37
Emeline Kent 21

And there's Grace too - also a servant.

So whilst I start on Mary and John...your starter for ten -:)

Jude

1881 census - thoughts??


Name: Mary Williams
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Williams
Mother's Name: Mary A. Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: St Stephens, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Stephens
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address: Ressuga Lane End
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: St Austell
Sub-registration district: Grampound
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2305
Folio: 29
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Williams 54
Mary A. Williams 52
Isaac Williams 22
Mary Williams 12
Annie Williams 8

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Household: 1881

John WILLIAMS Head M Male 54 Creed, Cornwall, England Farm Labr
Mary A. WILLIAMS Wife M Female 52 St Stephens, Cornwall, England
Isaac WILLIAMS Son U Male 22 Creed, Cornwall, England Farm Labr
Mary WILLIAMS Dau Female 12 St Stephens, Cornwall, England Scholar
Annie WILLIAMS Dau Female 8 St Stephens, Cornwall, England Scholar

Dwelling Ressuga Lane End
Census Place St Stephen In Brannel, Cornwall, England

Try the OPC for St Austell http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/a_d/austell_st.php


And Cornish census 1841 to 1901 are free online http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/cocp.html

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Mary WILLIAMS--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth: 1869 St Stephens, , Cornwall, England

Parents:
Father: John WILLIAMS
Mother: Mary A. WILLIAMS

OK..assuming 1881 is correct here is brother Isaac in 1891

Name: Isaac Williams
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Creed, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Austell
Sub-registration district: Grampound
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1825
Folio: 36
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Williams 31
Mary Williams 28
Bessie Williams 7
Ernest Williams 4
Milly Williams 2
Albert J Williams 10/12

On same page are a John Williams and family

Name: Ann Yelland
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Stephens, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: St Austell
Sub-registration district: Grampound
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1825
Folio: 36
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
John Williams 36
Mary Jane Williams 29
Elizabeth Williams 12
John Williams 9
Richard Williams 1
Ann Yelland 69
Mary Williams 21

Grace (not quite right age-wise) and John junior

Name: John Williams
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Williams
Mother's Name: Mary A Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Grampound, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: St Austell
Sub-registration district: Grampound
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 1551
Folio: 39
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Williams 35
Mary A Williams 31
Louisa Williams 11
Grace A Williams 10
John Williams 6
Isaac Williams 3
Simeon Williams 1